EA-aligned podcast with Lewis Bollard

I’ve started a pod­cast called the Most In­ter­est­ing Peo­ple I Know, fea­tur­ing in­ter­views on sci­ence, ethics, and (mostly) poli­tics (found un­der that name or “Gar­ri­son Lovely” wher­ever you find pod­casts). I’ve re­leased epi­sodes with Chloe Cock­burn from Open Phil and Spencer Green­berg, and have one sched­uled with Leah Garces to dis­cuss her book on cam­paigns to im­prove the welfare of farmed chick­ens (Grilled, out Sept 3rd).

Epi­sode link: http://​​bit.ly/​​2KCmFQg

Un­sur­pris­ingly, Lewis was a great guest. For those who don’t know, he leads the Open Philan­thropy Pro­ject’s strat­egy for farm an­i­mal welfare. He di­rects roughly $30M in grants an­nu­ally to non­prof­its work­ing to re­duce suffer­ing of farmed an­i­mals around the world. By virtue of his po­si­tion, Lewis has deep in­sight into the state of the farmed an­i­mal welfare move­ment, which we get into in some de­tail.

We speci­fi­cally cover: Open Philan­thropy’s ap­proach to end­ing fac­tory farm­ing, the scale, tractabil­ity, and ne­glect­ed­ness of fac­tory farm­ing, the tran­si­tion to plant based meat al­ter­na­tives, the hi­er­ar­chy of suffer­ing per calorie, whether you have to be a ve­gan to be an an­i­mal ac­tivist, the ad­vo­cacy cam­paigns that Open Philan­thropy is sup­port­ing, Amer­ica’s role in defend­ing fac­tory farm­ing wor­ld­wide, whether fac­tory farm­ing is effi­cient, whether we need to end cap­i­tal­ism to end fac­tory farm­ing, the psy­cholog­i­cal challenge of see­ing the hor­ror of fac­tory farm­ing in ev­ery­day life, un­der­cover farm in­ves­ti­ga­tions, civil di­s­obe­di­ence and vi­o­lence in fight­ing for an­i­mal rights, the ethics of pur­su­ing cor­po­rate cam­paigns, crit­i­cisms of Open Phil’s ap­proach to farmed an­i­mal welfare, and, of course, how you can get in­volved.

Un­for­tu­nately, there are some au­dio is­sues with this epi­sode- Mac­book Airs are the bane of my ex­is­tence. Other­wise, I think this was a great con­ver­sa­tion. Lewis is a world-class ex­pert on this topic, and his pas­sion for the cause is clear.

Any feed­back on the show and guest sug­ges­tions are wel­come!

Show notes:


His Twit­ter: https://​​twit­ter.com/​​lewis_bollard

His monthly newslet­ter

His con­ver­sa­tion on the 80,000 Hours Podcast

Effec­tive Altru­ism An­i­mal Welfare Fund

Other links:

In­fo­graphic show­ing num­ber of an­i­mals kil­led on farms com­pared to labs and shelters

Amount of an­i­mal suffer­ing per calorie for differ­ent foods

Meat and the H Word: Given the amount of suffer­ing in­volved in the mass kil­ling of an­i­mals, how is it not one of the great­est moral atroc­i­ties of our time?

He­donic Treadmill

Video: Baby Pig Fresh Pork Sausage Prank

At Least 3.4 Million Farm An­i­mals Drowned in the After­math of Hur­ri­cane Florence


An­i­mal Char­ity Eval­u­a­tors (ACE)


An­i­mal Liberation

Eat­ing Animals

An­i­mal Machines