When people say “EAs should do X”, it’s usually wise to reflect on whether that is really the case—are there skills or mindsets that members of the EA community are bringing to X?
The case I would like to see made her is why EA orgs would benefit from getting mental health services from some EA provider rather than the existing ones available. Could you elaborate on why you think this is the case? I’m not sure why you think current mental services, eg regular therapists are unapproachable and how having an ‘EA’ service would get around this. I don’t buy the access point, at least not for EA orgs: access is a question of funding, and that’s something EA orgs plausibly have. Demand for a service leads to more of it being supplied (of course, there are elasticities). If I buy more groceries, it’s not like someone else goes hungry, it’s more like more groceries get produced.
No, this isn’t what I’m thinking about. I don’t understand what you’re saying here.
I assume you didn’t mean it this way, but I found the tone of this comment rather brusque and dismissive. Please be mindful of that for discussions, particularly those in the EA forum.
I’m not sure how else to explain my point. One approach to MH is to talk to each individual about what they can do. Another approach, the organisational psychology one, is to think about how to change office culture and working practices. Sort of bottom-up vs top-down.
Given my original comment, I think it’s appropriate to give a broad view of the potential forms the intervention can take and what can be achieved by a strong founding team.
These services can take forms that don’t currently exist. I think it’s very feasible to find multiple useful programs or approaches that could be implemented.
I’d be interested to hear you expand on what you mean here!
The case I would like to see made her is why EA orgs would benefit from getting mental health services from some EA provider rather than the existing ones available.
My parent comment is a case for an organization that provides mental health services to EAs in general.
I don’t know why a case needs to be made that it needs to replace mental health services provided to EA orgs that are already available, which seems to be a major element in your objection.
Replacing or augmenting mental health services in EA orgs is one aspect/form/subset of the services that could be provided. This isn’t necessarily for it to be successful, the case is broader.
However, some of the points given might suggest how it could do this, and at least be helpful to EA orgs.
I’m not sure why you think current mental services, eg regular therapists are unapproachable and how having an ‘EA’ service would get around this
Ok, here’s another response. In one of the comments here, someone brought up a navigator service (which may be fantastic, or it may not be that active).
On the website it says:
I can imagine objections related stats/validity with this one figure, but it’s a member of a class of evidence that seems ample.
Separately and additionally, I have models that support the view further.
However, honestly, as indicated by your objection, I’m concerned it’s not going to be practical/productive to try to lay them out.
I view myself as “steel-manning” an intervention (which I have no intention to implement or have any personal benefit to me) which makes my discourse acceptable to me.
When people say “EAs should do X”, it’s usually wise to reflect on whether that is really the case—are there skills or mindsets that members of the EA community are bringing to X?
The case I would like to see made her is why EA orgs would benefit from getting mental health services from some EA provider rather than the existing ones available. Could you elaborate on why you think this is the case? I’m not sure why you think current mental services, eg regular therapists are unapproachable and how having an ‘EA’ service would get around this. I don’t buy the access point, at least not for EA orgs: access is a question of funding, and that’s something EA orgs plausibly have. Demand for a service leads to more of it being supplied (of course, there are elasticities). If I buy more groceries, it’s not like someone else goes hungry, it’s more like more groceries get produced.
I assume you didn’t mean it this way, but I found the tone of this comment rather brusque and dismissive. Please be mindful of that for discussions, particularly those in the EA forum.
I’m not sure how else to explain my point. One approach to MH is to talk to each individual about what they can do. Another approach, the organisational psychology one, is to think about how to change office culture and working practices. Sort of bottom-up vs top-down.
I’d be interested to hear you expand on what you mean here!
My parent comment is a case for an organization that provides mental health services to EAs in general.
I don’t know why a case needs to be made that it needs to replace mental health services provided to EA orgs that are already available, which seems to be a major element in your objection.
Replacing or augmenting mental health services in EA orgs is one aspect/form/subset of the services that could be provided. This isn’t necessarily for it to be successful, the case is broader.
However, some of the points given might suggest how it could do this, and at least be helpful to EA orgs.
Ok, here’s another response. In one of the comments here, someone brought up a navigator service (which may be fantastic, or it may not be that active).
On the website it says:
I can imagine objections related stats/validity with this one figure, but it’s a member of a class of evidence that seems ample.
Separately and additionally, I have models that support the view further.
However, honestly, as indicated by your objection, I’m concerned it’s not going to be practical/productive to try to lay them out.
I view myself as “steel-manning” an intervention (which I have no intention to implement or have any personal benefit to me) which makes my discourse acceptable to me.