An interesting concept, but you’re missing a section. Namely, you need to ask, what are the downsides to optimizing for being a Schelling point?
For example, if we make EA famous as the place where smart people hang out, make connections, and make high profile jobs and money… then people who don’t care at all about doing good are gonna come in for the connections and jobs, at the expense of actual truth-seeking. One advantage of being a niche weirdo group is that you can be pretty sure everyone is a true believer.
You’ve also gotta ask, which group of smart people are we selecting for here? The demographics of EA do not match that of smart people in general, they are closer to that of successful people in STEM. Should we be de-emphasing aspects of STEM such as mathematical reasoning to appeal to other groups, or are we happy being just the STEM Schelling point? Everything has trade-offs here.
I mentioned the danger of bringing in people mostly driven by personal gain (though very briefly). I think your point about niche weirdo groups finding some types of coordination and trust very easy is underrated. As other posts point out the transition to positive personal incentives to do EA stuff is a new thing that will cause some problems, and it’s unclear what to do about it (though as that post also says, “EA purity” tests are probably a bad idea).
I think the maximally-ambitious view of the EA Schelling point is one that attracts anyone who fits into the intersection of altruistic, ambitious / quantitative (in the sense of caring about the quantity of good done and wanting to make that big), and talented/competent in relevant ways. I think hardcore STEM weirdness becoming a defining EA feature (rather than just a hard-to-avoid incidental feature of a lot of it) would prevent achieving this.
In general, the wider the net you want to cast, the harder it is to become a clear Schelling point, both for cultural reasons (subgroup cultures tend more specific than their purpose strictly implies, and broad cultures tend to split), and for capacity reasons (it’s harder to get many than few people to hear about something, and also simple practical things like big conferences costing more money and effort).
There is definitely an entire different post (or more) that could be written about how much and which parts of EA should be Schelling point or platform -type thing and comparing the pros and cons. In this post I don’t even attempt to weigh this kind of choice.
An interesting concept, but you’re missing a section. Namely, you need to ask, what are the downsides to optimizing for being a Schelling point?
For example, if we make EA famous as the place where smart people hang out, make connections, and make high profile jobs and money… then people who don’t care at all about doing good are gonna come in for the connections and jobs, at the expense of actual truth-seeking. One advantage of being a niche weirdo group is that you can be pretty sure everyone is a true believer.
You’ve also gotta ask, which group of smart people are we selecting for here? The demographics of EA do not match that of smart people in general, they are closer to that of successful people in STEM. Should we be de-emphasing aspects of STEM such as mathematical reasoning to appeal to other groups, or are we happy being just the STEM Schelling point? Everything has trade-offs here.
I mentioned the danger of bringing in people mostly driven by personal gain (though very briefly). I think your point about niche weirdo groups finding some types of coordination and trust very easy is underrated. As other posts point out the transition to positive personal incentives to do EA stuff is a new thing that will cause some problems, and it’s unclear what to do about it (though as that post also says, “EA purity” tests are probably a bad idea).
I think the maximally-ambitious view of the EA Schelling point is one that attracts anyone who fits into the intersection of altruistic, ambitious / quantitative (in the sense of caring about the quantity of good done and wanting to make that big), and talented/competent in relevant ways. I think hardcore STEM weirdness becoming a defining EA feature (rather than just a hard-to-avoid incidental feature of a lot of it) would prevent achieving this.
In general, the wider the net you want to cast, the harder it is to become a clear Schelling point, both for cultural reasons (subgroup cultures tend more specific than their purpose strictly implies, and broad cultures tend to split), and for capacity reasons (it’s harder to get many than few people to hear about something, and also simple practical things like big conferences costing more money and effort).
There is definitely an entire different post (or more) that could be written about how much and which parts of EA should be Schelling point or platform -type thing and comparing the pros and cons. In this post I don’t even attempt to weigh this kind of choice.