This is a really confusing post. I think if you are going to make an allegation, you should give a bit more context, and be a bit more specific as to what you are accusing CEA of. Do you mean Zvi Mowshowitz and Zeynep Tufekci? Both seem like well respected people? Are you sure that it wasn’t ultimately at the documentary makers discretion? Are these just off hand remarks by someone who works at CEA?
I understand wanting the impulse to bring things to light, but I have no idea reading this what is going on here.
I replied to this in a longer comment. It was in fact at our discretion, we only received a suggestion from EAIF, and only applied to Zvi. However, I think a bunch of expectations set by communications norms affected how we made our decision, which is the substance of my comment.
I’m sure unless I was just being lied to? I was talking to the film maker directly in the screenshot. We talked in person about this at length as well. I find it pretty hard to understand why CEA would want to exclude Zvi or Zeynep. But I’m pretty sure this happened. I’m aware of a lot of hard to explain behavior. but I gave this example because Im pretty sure I correctly understand what happened and can substantiate the claims.
Sorry, it’s not clear what the screenshot even implies?
If the film maker asked aperson at CEA, ”Do you think X would be a good fit for the documentary” and they said “No, I don’t think so” and gave substantive reasons (“not really having a social impact beyond our circle”) that doesn’t even necessarily imply the single person didn’t want them in the documentary (could be a casual judgement), much less the institution of CEA didn’t want X in the documentary. And given the filmmaker says “might not include Zvi” presumably his inclusion was still up to them!
This is a really confusing post. I think if you are going to make an allegation, you should give a bit more context, and be a bit more specific as to what you are accusing CEA of. Do you mean Zvi Mowshowitz and Zeynep Tufekci? Both seem like well respected people? Are you sure that it wasn’t ultimately at the documentary makers discretion? Are these just off hand remarks by someone who works at CEA?
I understand wanting the impulse to bring things to light, but I have no idea reading this what is going on here.
I replied to this in a longer comment. It was in fact at our discretion, we only received a suggestion from EAIF, and only applied to Zvi. However, I think a bunch of expectations set by communications norms affected how we made our decision, which is the substance of my comment.
I’m sure unless I was just being lied to? I was talking to the film maker directly in the screenshot. We talked in person about this at length as well. I find it pretty hard to understand why CEA would want to exclude Zvi or Zeynep. But I’m pretty sure this happened. I’m aware of a lot of hard to explain behavior. but I gave this example because Im pretty sure I correctly understand what happened and can substantiate the claims.
Sorry, it’s not clear what the screenshot even implies?
If the film maker asked a person at CEA, ”Do you think X would be a good fit for the documentary” and they said “No, I don’t think so” and gave substantive reasons (“not really having a social impact beyond our circle”) that doesn’t even necessarily imply the single person didn’t want them in the documentary (could be a casual judgement), much less the institution of CEA didn’t want X in the documentary. And given the filmmaker says “might not include Zvi” presumably his inclusion was still up to them!
Did you ask them why?
My friend? Yes. CEA? No.
I dont actually think there exists a genuinely good record to exclude them.
I meant CEA. Thank you for the response.