“”“Poor nations would suffer unintended consequences because they rely heavily on exports to rich countries → In fact, poor nations will benefit from it because as we internalize costs, they’ll get a fair salary and get compensated for environmental costs.”””
This is, to put it mildly, implausible, and requires strong evidence IMO.
That you dismissed the most important issue with your claim so tersely without really engaging with it suggests you simply do not care very much about the effects on the global poor, which in a scenario without economic growth would I expect be much, much worse than the worst plausible effects of 3-4° warming (which I take to be the likely “business as usual” outcome).
Citing Hickel here, a known bad faith/disingenuous actor in this area (see here) doesn’t serve to provide much evidence either.
You may be right. I admit I lack the knowledge to answer that and I also see some potential problems for the global poor (in the post itself I already mention unemployment), about which ofc I care but I wonder whether they would be easily solvable or if they could be so big that it makes degrowth in rich countries unethical.
I have been looking for a while now for good literature that provides arguments or evidence how reducing growth in rich countries would hurt/benefit the poor.
I agree that Hickel doesn’t seem very trustworthy on this. I have looked a bit at the degrowth/post-growth literature and haven’t found detailed, convincing engagement on this question.
I’ve also looked elsewhere but I still don’t know what literature to rely on—despite its being such a core and straightforward question. Any advice on what to read on this would be appreciated.
“”“Poor nations would suffer unintended consequences because they rely heavily on exports to rich countries → In fact, poor nations will benefit from it because as we internalize costs, they’ll get a fair salary and get compensated for environmental costs.”””
This is, to put it mildly, implausible, and requires strong evidence IMO.
That you dismissed the most important issue with your claim so tersely without really engaging with it suggests you simply do not care very much about the effects on the global poor, which in a scenario without economic growth would I expect be much, much worse than the worst plausible effects of 3-4° warming (which I take to be the likely “business as usual” outcome). Citing Hickel here, a known bad faith/disingenuous actor in this area (see here) doesn’t serve to provide much evidence either.
You may be right. I admit I lack the knowledge to answer that and I also see some potential problems for the global poor (in the post itself I already mention unemployment), about which ofc I care but I wonder whether they would be easily solvable or if they could be so big that it makes degrowth in rich countries unethical.
I have been looking for a while now for good literature that provides arguments or evidence how reducing growth in rich countries would hurt/benefit the poor.
I agree that Hickel doesn’t seem very trustworthy on this. I have looked a bit at the degrowth/post-growth literature and haven’t found detailed, convincing engagement on this question.
I’ve also looked elsewhere but I still don’t know what literature to rely on—despite its being such a core and straightforward question. Any advice on what to read on this would be appreciated.