If you’re an EA who’s just about to graduate, you’re very involved in the community, and most of the people you think are really cool are EAs, I think there’s a decent chance you’re overrating jobs at EA orgs in your job search. Per the common advice, I think most people in this position should be looking primarily at the “career capital” their first role can give them (skills, connections, resume-building, etc.) rather than the direct impact it will let them have.
At first blush it seems like this recommends you should almost never take an EA job early in your career — since jobs at EA orgs are such a small proportion of all jobs, what are the odds that such a job was optimal from a career capital perspective? I think this is wrong for a number of reasons, but it’s instructive to actually run through the list. One is that a job being at an EA org is correlated with it being good in other ways — e.g. with it having smart, driven colleagues that you get on well with, or with it being in a field connected to one of the world’s biggest problems. Another is that some types of career capital are best gotten at EA orgs or in doing EA projects — e.g. if you want to upskill for community-building work, there’s plausibly no Google/McKinsey of community-building to go get useful career capital for this at. (Though I do think some types of experience, like startup experience, are often transferable to community-building.)
I think a good orientation to have towards this is to try your hardest, when looking at jobs as a new grad, to “wipe the slate clean” of tribal-affiliation-related considerations, and (to a large extent) of impact-related considerations, and assess mostly based on career-capital considerations.
(Context: I worked at an early-stage non-EA startup for 3 years before getting my current job at Open Phil. This was an environment where I was pushed to work really hard, take on a lot of responsibility, and produce high-quality work. I think I’d be way worse at my current job [and less likely to have gotten it] without this experience. My co-workers cared about lots of instrumental stuff EA cares about, like efficiency, good management, feedback culture, etc. I liked them a lot and was really motivated. However, this doesn’t happen to everyone at every startup, and I was plausibly unusually well-suited to it or unusually lucky.)
If you’re an EA who’s just about to graduate, you’re very involved in the community, and most of the people you think are really cool are EAs, I think there’s a decent chance you’re overrating jobs at EA orgs in your job search. Per the common advice, I think most people in this position should be looking primarily at the “career capital” their first role can give them (skills, connections, resume-building, etc.) rather than the direct impact it will let them have.
At first blush it seems like this recommends you should almost never take an EA job early in your career — since jobs at EA orgs are such a small proportion of all jobs, what are the odds that such a job was optimal from a career capital perspective? I think this is wrong for a number of reasons, but it’s instructive to actually run through the list. One is that a job being at an EA org is correlated with it being good in other ways — e.g. with it having smart, driven colleagues that you get on well with, or with it being in a field connected to one of the world’s biggest problems. Another is that some types of career capital are best gotten at EA orgs or in doing EA projects — e.g. if you want to upskill for community-building work, there’s plausibly no Google/McKinsey of community-building to go get useful career capital for this at. (Though I do think some types of experience, like startup experience, are often transferable to community-building.)
I think a good orientation to have towards this is to try your hardest, when looking at jobs as a new grad, to “wipe the slate clean” of tribal-affiliation-related considerations, and (to a large extent) of impact-related considerations, and assess mostly based on career-capital considerations.
(Context: I worked at an early-stage non-EA startup for 3 years before getting my current job at Open Phil. This was an environment where I was pushed to work really hard, take on a lot of responsibility, and produce high-quality work. I think I’d be way worse at my current job [and less likely to have gotten it] without this experience. My co-workers cared about lots of instrumental stuff EA cares about, like efficiency, good management, feedback culture, etc. I liked them a lot and was really motivated. However, this doesn’t happen to everyone at every startup, and I was plausibly unusually well-suited to it or unusually lucky.)
I agree with this take (and also happen to be sitting next to Eli right now talking to him about it :). I think working at a fast-growing startup in an emerging technology is one of the best opportunities for career capital: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/ejaC35E5qyKEkAWn2/early-career-ea-s-should-consider-joining-fast-growing