I just wanted to reply to deal with one factual claim:
A better approach would be to try to find crime by ethnicity, crime by religion, or crime by immigrant nationality. Unfortunately, I canât find those exact stats (probably because they would be incendiary).
We have stats from some countries for crime by immigrant nationality. Muslim countries top these charts.
Um, no? Hereâs from the link above:
Poland: 4742
Romania: 3952
Lithuania: 2561
Ireland: 2503
Jamaica: 2323
India: 1902
Somalia: 1384
France: 1384
Italy: 1357
Portugal: 1202
Not a lot of Muslim countries there, in particular Pakistan and Bangladesh are notably absent. Yet hereâs the top 10 countries for overall population of foreign nationals in London from Wikipedia.
India: 262,247
Poland: 158,300
Ireland: 129,807
Nigeria: 114,718
Pakistan: 112,457
Bangladesh: 109,948
Jamaica: 87,467
Sri Lanka: 84,542
France 66,654
Somalia: 65,333
And in another entertaining example of MSM bias against immigrants, note how the Mail describes one in four London crimes being committed by foreign nationals as an âimmigrant crimewaveâ, even though over 35% of Londonâs population is foreign-born. Also, even that claim was originally exaggerated; see the correction at the bottom.
Thatâs likely the true reason you were struggling to find these stats by the way; incendiary stats about immigrants are easy to find, the more prosaic ones highlighting that they are less likely to commit crime than native-born people tend to be buried in government reports (until an outlet like the Mail decides to report them and just deliberately mislead people about their relevance).
Somalia is up there in the criminal ranking you provided, and itâs Muslim. I would be interested to see how this data defines âforeign born.â Sometimes different generations of immigrants behave differently. In general when talking about immigrant crime, âimmigrantâ refers to 2nd, 3rd, or even nth-generation immigrants if they are not assimilated.
I agree that at least superficially this analysis clashes with my hypothesis, but we still have many pieces of data in my favor (see previous response for links):
Muslim immigrants in Scandinavian countries commit crimes at a multiple of the native population.
Muslims are overrepresented in British and French prisons.
And then of course we know that sexual assault rates are up in particular jurisdictions, like Rotherham in the UK and Cologne in Germany
Additionally, Guardian says that child sexual abuse is up 60% in the past 4 years. Someone is doing the abusing.
On finding stats: What I am talking about with the difficulty finding crime stats is that race and religion arenât broken out clearly. For instance, Muslims are often rolled into âAsian.â And Muslim North Africans are rolled into âblack.â
We could go back and forth for ages dredging up crime stats and the poking holes in the methodology. Crime stats are known to have methodological problems. When British police are allowing Muslim sex gangs to abuse thousands of children in multiple towns out of racial âsensitivitesâ, then you will have to forgive me for not letting police statistics end the debate. At some point, we should consider what our priors should be.
I would also like to reiterate that I am much more worried about France, Germany, and Sweden than I am about the UK, despite most of this debate being about the UK.
I just wanted to reply to deal with one factual claim:
LMGTFY
Um, no? Hereâs from the link above:
Poland: 4742
Romania: 3952
Lithuania: 2561
Ireland: 2503
Jamaica: 2323
India: 1902
Somalia: 1384
France: 1384
Italy: 1357
Portugal: 1202
Not a lot of Muslim countries there, in particular Pakistan and Bangladesh are notably absent. Yet hereâs the top 10 countries for overall population of foreign nationals in London from Wikipedia.
India: 262,247
Poland: 158,300
Ireland: 129,807
Nigeria: 114,718
Pakistan: 112,457
Bangladesh: 109,948
Jamaica: 87,467
Sri Lanka: 84,542
France 66,654
Somalia: 65,333
And in another entertaining example of MSM bias against immigrants, note how the Mail describes one in four London crimes being committed by foreign nationals as an âimmigrant crimewaveâ, even though over 35% of Londonâs population is foreign-born. Also, even that claim was originally exaggerated; see the correction at the bottom.
Thatâs likely the true reason you were struggling to find these stats by the way; incendiary stats about immigrants are easy to find, the more prosaic ones highlighting that they are less likely to commit crime than native-born people tend to be buried in government reports (until an outlet like the Mail decides to report them and just deliberately mislead people about their relevance).
Somalia is up there in the criminal ranking you provided, and itâs Muslim. I would be interested to see how this data defines âforeign born.â Sometimes different generations of immigrants behave differently. In general when talking about immigrant crime, âimmigrantâ refers to 2nd, 3rd, or even nth-generation immigrants if they are not assimilated.
I agree that at least superficially this analysis clashes with my hypothesis, but we still have many pieces of data in my favor (see previous response for links):
Muslim immigrants in Scandinavian countries commit crimes at a multiple of the native population.
Muslims are overrepresented in British and French prisons.
And then of course we know that sexual assault rates are up in particular jurisdictions, like Rotherham in the UK and Cologne in Germany
Additionally, Guardian says that child sexual abuse is up 60% in the past 4 years. Someone is doing the abusing.
On finding stats: What I am talking about with the difficulty finding crime stats is that race and religion arenât broken out clearly. For instance, Muslims are often rolled into âAsian.â And Muslim North Africans are rolled into âblack.â
We could go back and forth for ages dredging up crime stats and the poking holes in the methodology. Crime stats are known to have methodological problems. When British police are allowing Muslim sex gangs to abuse thousands of children in multiple towns out of racial âsensitivitesâ, then you will have to forgive me for not letting police statistics end the debate. At some point, we should consider what our priors should be.
I would also like to reiterate that I am much more worried about France, Germany, and Sweden than I am about the UK, despite most of this debate being about the UK.