Having an updates document that people fill in every week might be useful for you to either replace or complement your meetings? Alternatively, an agenda doc per meeting where you can transcribe whatever the other people say helps solve the problem of not being able to remember or document what other people say. I also record a few of the meetings I’m in, especially important ones (with the other person/s’ permission of course), in case I want to revisit them in the future.
Thanks, I have this wherever possible. Strong upvote for the practical usefulness of the comment.
There are cases, though, where the core problem is notthe ability to record but the lack of appreciation of the value of making things explicit and documenting them as such. Then I can one-sidedly record all I want, it won’t shape my environment in the way I want to.
That’s why I’m asking about the appreciation aspect in particular. I think there are a lot of gains from attitudes that are common in EA that are just lost in many other circles because people don’t have the same commitment to growth.
This is especially the case when you alone can’t do much but need a whole group to buy into this attitude. That’s also why I’m less interested in meetings that are clearly only limited to 1-1 exchange. There are settings where you need to asynchronously update multiple people and having explicit communication would be much better, yet people seem to have a clear preference for 1-1 calls etc.
I’m also not talking about situations where you can impose your norms—but rather about situations where you have to figure out carefully how to go meta while avoiding triggering any individual’s defensiveness to then level up the group as a whole.
Essentially, I guess, I’m interested in case studies for what pieces are missing in people’s models that this seems so hard for many groups outside of EA. The answers here have already given some insight into it.
Having an updates document that people fill in every week might be useful for you to either replace or complement your meetings? Alternatively, an agenda doc per meeting where you can transcribe whatever the other people say helps solve the problem of not being able to remember or document what other people say. I also record a few of the meetings I’m in, especially important ones (with the other person/s’ permission of course), in case I want to revisit them in the future.
Thanks, I have this wherever possible. Strong upvote for the practical usefulness of the comment.
There are cases, though, where the core problem is not the ability to record but the lack of appreciation of the value of making things explicit and documenting them as such. Then I can one-sidedly record all I want, it won’t shape my environment in the way I want to.
That’s why I’m asking about the appreciation aspect in particular. I think there are a lot of gains from attitudes that are common in EA that are just lost in many other circles because people don’t have the same commitment to growth.
This is especially the case when you alone can’t do much but need a whole group to buy into this attitude. That’s also why I’m less interested in meetings that are clearly only limited to 1-1 exchange. There are settings where you need to asynchronously update multiple people and having explicit communication would be much better, yet people seem to have a clear preference for 1-1 calls etc.
I’m also not talking about situations where you can impose your norms—but rather about situations where you have to figure out carefully how to go meta while avoiding triggering any individual’s defensiveness to then level up the group as a whole.
Essentially, I guess, I’m interested in case studies for what pieces are missing in people’s models that this seems so hard for many groups outside of EA. The answers here have already given some insight into it.