The word dignity only appears once, but variations appear as well:
“And it sure would be undignified for our world to die of antitrust law at the final extremity.”
“It’s as dignified as any of the other attempts to walk around this hard problem”
Some version of this reference appears mostly when Soares is endorsing efforts to solve a problem in a way that won’t work if the standard MIRI model of doom is correct, but which is still worthwhile in case it isn’t. To be clear, I respect you, Soares, and Yudkowsky a great deal, my impression is that MIRI is a great bunch of folks whose approach is worthwhile, even if I lean somewhat more Christiano/Critch on some of these issues. It is also possible that dignity is a good framing overall and I’m just weird, in which case I fully endorse using it. I just personally don’t like it for the reasons I mentioned, and I think there are many others with similar reactions.
Oops, thanks! I checked for those variants elsewhere but forgot to do so here. :)
It is also possible that dignity is a good framing overall and I’m just weird, in which case I fully endorse using it.
I think it’s a good framing for some people and not for others. I’m confident that many people shouldn’t use this framing regularly in their own thinking. I’m less sure about whether the people who do find it valuable should steer clear of mentioning it, that’s a bit more extreme.
That’s fair, I think it depends how it’s intended. If the point is to talk about how you think about or relate to the issue, talking about the framing that works best for you makes sense. If the purpose is outreach, there are framings that make more or less sense to use.
The word dignity only appears once, but variations appear as well:
“And it sure would be undignified for our world to die of antitrust law at the final extremity.”
“It’s as dignified as any of the other attempts to walk around this hard problem”
Some version of this reference appears mostly when Soares is endorsing efforts to solve a problem in a way that won’t work if the standard MIRI model of doom is correct, but which is still worthwhile in case it isn’t. To be clear, I respect you, Soares, and Yudkowsky a great deal, my impression is that MIRI is a great bunch of folks whose approach is worthwhile, even if I lean somewhat more Christiano/Critch on some of these issues. It is also possible that dignity is a good framing overall and I’m just weird, in which case I fully endorse using it. I just personally don’t like it for the reasons I mentioned, and I think there are many others with similar reactions.
Oops, thanks! I checked for those variants elsewhere but forgot to do so here. :)
I think it’s a good framing for some people and not for others. I’m confident that many people shouldn’t use this framing regularly in their own thinking. I’m less sure about whether the people who do find it valuable should steer clear of mentioning it, that’s a bit more extreme.
That’s fair, I think it depends how it’s intended. If the point is to talk about how you think about or relate to the issue, talking about the framing that works best for you makes sense. If the purpose is outreach, there are framings that make more or less sense to use.