I’ve been meaning to write about what it’s like trying to figure out your career direction between 18 and 21 while being part of the EA community—a time that feels, at least for me, like the most uncertain and exploratory part of life. You’re not just asking yourself what you want to do, but also grappling with questions about impact and doing the most good, which adds another hard layer to an already complex period.
For anyone at university who’s getting introduced to EA and feeling overwhelmed about career decisions, I feel like I want to share some thoughts. I’ve been there—feeling unsure about whether I was making the “right” choices or if I was doing enough to have impact. I’ve seen others around that age wrestle with the same questions. I still wrestle with my impact. You have my empathy.
If that’s where you are right now, maybe a few scattered pieces of advice from someone a little further down the road could help. I won’t turn this into a long essay, but if any of this resonates—or if you want more specific guidance—I’d be happy to expand on these thoughts:
1. 80,000 Hours is not gospel: Of course, they don’t claim to be gospel, and explicitly want you to explore different options in your career and provide tools for you to do the thinking. But it’s very easy to just default to their listed career options and cause areas. 80,000 Hours won’t help you make the right choices if you aren’t willing to accept that it’s just one piece of your career puzzle. Most people don’t just end up working on what they want by default, unfortunately.
2. Think beyond conventional impact paths: On that note, if something doesn’t fit neatly into how a typical EA career pans out, that might feel uncomfortable. But that’s okay—outside this community, people do all sorts of things in the world. Going to university doesn’t automatically prepare you for AI policy work or give you operations skills. You’ll probably need to get experience in the outside world that isn’t an EA career path, and that can be hard if all you’ve consumed at university is EA philosophy and its traditional career paths. This is why not pigeon-holing yourself is a good idea (see point 4).
3. Get ready for ego hits: Yes, there’s plenty written about how EA jobs are hard to get, but lots of jobs that seem shiny and potentially useful for career capital will reject you—because you’re not the only one who wants that shiny job. You might get lucky and end up right where you want to be, but you’re probably just like everybody else: inexperienced and trying to make it in the world. Each job application can take weeks of effort. You can make it to interview rounds, all excited about the possibility of doing something you want, only to be rejected because someone else has 10 years more experience than you. This will happen, and it will be hard. You just have to get back up and try again. I found it useful to remind myself every time I got rejected that ‘they can reject me, but they can’t kill my spirit’—and that helped muster up the motivation to push forward.
4. Don’t let EA become your whole life: I switched my degree to be very AI Governance focused (which maybe is paying off), made EA friends, went to EA retreats. It’s so enticing because the university EA community tends to be interesting, thoughtful, and ambitious—that’s pleasant to be around and can mean your life gets wrapped up in it. Getting invited to EA Global conferences in the Bay Area when you’re a twenty-year-old at university hits that status-seeking part of your brain hard. People think it’s really cool, and it feels good when they do. I wish I could say I was above caring what others think, but my brain (like most people’s) is wired to chase social validation at times. While there’s plenty of advice out there about letting go of status-seeking—and you should definitely work on that—I think it’s important to acknowledge how these dynamics can pull you deeper into making EA your whole identity. I strongly suggest building yourself in other communities and finding interests outside the movement. This advice might seem obvious to any adult, but when you’re at university finding your people, and those people happen to offer both intellectual stimulation and status boosts, it’s really easy to stick to the comfortable option.
5. Don’t dismiss grades—they’re part of the bigger picture: I absorbed some wrong advice about grades not mattering through the rationality community. But they do matter: not just for masters applications, but as a signal to employers about your ability to work hard and follow through. Even if EA jobs don’t always list grade requirements, having good grades demonstrates competence and work ethic. More importantly, engaging deeply with your subject teaches you how to tackle difficult problems and work systematically—skills that matter regardless of where you end up. And actually trying with your degree and doing well can make university a much more pleasant experience.
Thank you for writing this! I wish I had internalized some of these points more while I was at university, and guess others will feel the same.
One thing in particular that I recognized is viewing 80,000 Hours (and the EA community more broadly) as offering definitive answers, rather than tools and questions. Looking back, I realize I maybe fell into that mindset. I almost expected that if I just followed the “right” path they laid out and worked as hard as I could, I’d maximize my impact. That was, of course, a very soothing thought, drastically simplifying the complexity of my career choice. But it was also very wrong, and I’m grateful that this quick take is now there to point this out :)
I’ve been meaning to write about what it’s like trying to figure out your career direction between 18 and 21 while being part of the EA community—a time that feels, at least for me, like the most uncertain and exploratory part of life. You’re not just asking yourself what you want to do, but also grappling with questions about impact and doing the most good, which adds another hard layer to an already complex period.
For anyone at university who’s getting introduced to EA and feeling overwhelmed about career decisions, I feel like I want to share some thoughts. I’ve been there—feeling unsure about whether I was making the “right” choices or if I was doing enough to have impact. I’ve seen others around that age wrestle with the same questions. I still wrestle with my impact. You have my empathy.
If that’s where you are right now, maybe a few scattered pieces of advice from someone a little further down the road could help. I won’t turn this into a long essay, but if any of this resonates—or if you want more specific guidance—I’d be happy to expand on these thoughts:
1. 80,000 Hours is not gospel: Of course, they don’t claim to be gospel, and explicitly want you to explore different options in your career and provide tools for you to do the thinking. But it’s very easy to just default to their listed career options and cause areas. 80,000 Hours won’t help you make the right choices if you aren’t willing to accept that it’s just one piece of your career puzzle. Most people don’t just end up working on what they want by default, unfortunately.
2. Think beyond conventional impact paths: On that note, if something doesn’t fit neatly into how a typical EA career pans out, that might feel uncomfortable. But that’s okay—outside this community, people do all sorts of things in the world. Going to university doesn’t automatically prepare you for AI policy work or give you operations skills. You’ll probably need to get experience in the outside world that isn’t an EA career path, and that can be hard if all you’ve consumed at university is EA philosophy and its traditional career paths. This is why not pigeon-holing yourself is a good idea (see point 4).
3. Get ready for ego hits: Yes, there’s plenty written about how EA jobs are hard to get, but lots of jobs that seem shiny and potentially useful for career capital will reject you—because you’re not the only one who wants that shiny job. You might get lucky and end up right where you want to be, but you’re probably just like everybody else: inexperienced and trying to make it in the world. Each job application can take weeks of effort. You can make it to interview rounds, all excited about the possibility of doing something you want, only to be rejected because someone else has 10 years more experience than you. This will happen, and it will be hard. You just have to get back up and try again. I found it useful to remind myself every time I got rejected that ‘they can reject me, but they can’t kill my spirit’—and that helped muster up the motivation to push forward.
4. Don’t let EA become your whole life: I switched my degree to be very AI Governance focused (which maybe is paying off), made EA friends, went to EA retreats. It’s so enticing because the university EA community tends to be interesting, thoughtful, and ambitious—that’s pleasant to be around and can mean your life gets wrapped up in it. Getting invited to EA Global conferences in the Bay Area when you’re a twenty-year-old at university hits that status-seeking part of your brain hard. People think it’s really cool, and it feels good when they do. I wish I could say I was above caring what others think, but my brain (like most people’s) is wired to chase social validation at times. While there’s plenty of advice out there about letting go of status-seeking—and you should definitely work on that—I think it’s important to acknowledge how these dynamics can pull you deeper into making EA your whole identity. I strongly suggest building yourself in other communities and finding interests outside the movement. This advice might seem obvious to any adult, but when you’re at university finding your people, and those people happen to offer both intellectual stimulation and status boosts, it’s really easy to stick to the comfortable option.
5. Don’t dismiss grades—they’re part of the bigger picture: I absorbed some wrong advice about grades not mattering through the rationality community. But they do matter: not just for masters applications, but as a signal to employers about your ability to work hard and follow through. Even if EA jobs don’t always list grade requirements, having good grades demonstrates competence and work ethic. More importantly, engaging deeply with your subject teaches you how to tackle difficult problems and work systematically—skills that matter regardless of where you end up. And actually trying with your degree and doing well can make university a much more pleasant experience.
Hope that’s useful to somebody.
Thank you for writing this! I wish I had internalized some of these points more while I was at university, and guess others will feel the same.
One thing in particular that I recognized is viewing 80,000 Hours (and the EA community more broadly) as offering definitive answers, rather than tools and questions. Looking back, I realize I maybe fell into that mindset. I almost expected that if I just followed the “right” path they laid out and worked as hard as I could, I’d maximize my impact. That was, of course, a very soothing thought, drastically simplifying the complexity of my career choice. But it was also very wrong, and I’m grateful that this quick take is now there to point this out :)