I agree with the characterization of the discussion, but regardless, you can find it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_5N0N-61Tg&t=86m12s
I agree with the characterization of the discussion, but regardless, you can find it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_5N0N-61Tg&t=86m12s