I don’t think your responses in this comment about narrower views being confounded with longtermism as a whole are fair. If your point is that longtermism is broader than weeatquince or Phil made it out to be, then I think you’re missing the point of the original criticisms, since the views being criticized are prominent in practice within EA longtermism. The response “There are other longtermist views” doesn’t help the ones being criticized.
In particular, 80,000 Hours promotes both (risk-neutral) EV maximization and astronomical waste (as I described in other replies), and consequentialism is disproportionately popular among EA survey and SSC survey respondents. It’s about half, although they don’t distinguish between act and rule consequentialism, and it’s possible longtermists are much less likely to be consequentialists, but I doubt that. To be fair to 80,000 Hours, they’ve also written against pure consequentialism, with that article linked to on their key ideas page.
80,000 Hours shapes the views and priorities of EAs, and, overall, I think the views being criticized will be made more popular by 80,000 Hours’ work.
I don’t think your responses in this comment about narrower views being confounded with longtermism as a whole are fair. If your point is that longtermism is broader than weeatquince or Phil made it out to be, then I think you’re missing the point of the original criticisms, since the views being criticized are prominent in practice within EA longtermism. The response “There are other longtermist views” doesn’t help the ones being criticized.
In particular, 80,000 Hours promotes both (risk-neutral) EV maximization and astronomical waste (as I described in other replies), and consequentialism is disproportionately popular among EA survey and SSC survey respondents. It’s about half, although they don’t distinguish between act and rule consequentialism, and it’s possible longtermists are much less likely to be consequentialists, but I doubt that. To be fair to 80,000 Hours, they’ve also written against pure consequentialism, with that article linked to on their key ideas page.
80,000 Hours shapes the views and priorities of EAs, and, overall, I think the views being criticized will be made more popular by 80,000 Hours’ work.