I donât think your responses in this comment about narrower views being confounded with longtermism as a whole are fair. If your point is that longtermism is broader than weeatquince or Phil made it out to be, then I think youâre missing the point of the original criticisms, since the views being criticized are prominent in practice within EA longtermism. The response âThere are other longtermist viewsâ doesnât help the ones being criticized.
In particular, 80,000 Hours promotes both (risk-neutral) EV maximization and astronomical waste (as I described in other replies), and consequentialism is disproportionately popular among EA survey and SSC survey respondents. Itâs about half, although they donât distinguish between act and rule consequentialism, and itâs possible longtermists are much less likely to be consequentialists, but I doubt that. To be fair to 80,000 Hours, theyâve also written against pure consequentialism, with that article linked to on their key ideas page.
80,000 Hours shapes the views and priorities of EAs, and, overall, I think the views being criticized will be made more popular by 80,000 Hoursâ work.
I donât think your responses in this comment about narrower views being confounded with longtermism as a whole are fair. If your point is that longtermism is broader than weeatquince or Phil made it out to be, then I think youâre missing the point of the original criticisms, since the views being criticized are prominent in practice within EA longtermism. The response âThere are other longtermist viewsâ doesnât help the ones being criticized.
In particular, 80,000 Hours promotes both (risk-neutral) EV maximization and astronomical waste (as I described in other replies), and consequentialism is disproportionately popular among EA survey and SSC survey respondents. Itâs about half, although they donât distinguish between act and rule consequentialism, and itâs possible longtermists are much less likely to be consequentialists, but I doubt that. To be fair to 80,000 Hours, theyâve also written against pure consequentialism, with that article linked to on their key ideas page.
80,000 Hours shapes the views and priorities of EAs, and, overall, I think the views being criticized will be made more popular by 80,000 Hoursâ work.