I think it would be great to set up a formal panel. That way, we can have an actual calm discussion about the topics at hand. Furthermore, we can make sure that all points are thoroughly discussed and there is a clear resolution.
For example, InIn has been accused of astroturfing, etc. However, no one responded to my comments pointing out that astroturfing does not apply to our activities. The same goes for other points of disagreement with the claims of the authors of the document expressing concerns—no one has responded to my points of disagreement. A formal panel would be a good way of making sure there is actually a discourse around these topics and they can be hashed out.
So far, the impression I and many others are getting is that these accusations are unfair and unjust, and paint some of the top-level EA activists in a negative light. These concerns would be addressed in a formal procedure. I’d be glad to take the InIn situation through a formal procedure where these things can be hashed out.
Interesting to see how many downvotes this got. Disappointing that people choose to downvote instead of engaging with the substance of my comments. I would have hoped for better from a rationally-oriented community.
Oh well, I guess it is what it is. I’m taking a break from all this based on my therapist’s recommendation. Good luck!
I didn’t down vote it, but I suspect others who did were—like me—frustrated by the accusation of not engaging with you on the substantive points that are summarised in Jeff’s post. This post followed a discussion with literally hundreds of comments and dozens of people in this community discussing them with you.
I could explain why I think the term astroturfing does apply to your actions, even though they were not exactly the same as Holden’s activities, but the pattern of discussion I’ve experienced and witnessed with you gives me very low credence that the discussion will lead to any change in our relative positions.
I hope the break is good for your health and wish you well.
I think it would be great to set up a formal panel. That way, we can have an actual calm discussion about the topics at hand. Furthermore, we can make sure that all points are thoroughly discussed and there is a clear resolution.
For example, InIn has been accused of astroturfing, etc. However, no one responded to my comments pointing out that astroturfing does not apply to our activities. The same goes for other points of disagreement with the claims of the authors of the document expressing concerns—no one has responded to my points of disagreement. A formal panel would be a good way of making sure there is actually a discourse around these topics and they can be hashed out.
So far, the impression I and many others are getting is that these accusations are unfair and unjust, and paint some of the top-level EA activists in a negative light. These concerns would be addressed in a formal procedure. I’d be glad to take the InIn situation through a formal procedure where these things can be hashed out.
Interesting to see how many downvotes this got. Disappointing that people choose to downvote instead of engaging with the substance of my comments. I would have hoped for better from a rationally-oriented community.
Oh well, I guess it is what it is. I’m taking a break from all this based on my therapist’s recommendation. Good luck!
I didn’t down vote it, but I suspect others who did were—like me—frustrated by the accusation of not engaging with you on the substantive points that are summarised in Jeff’s post. This post followed a discussion with literally hundreds of comments and dozens of people in this community discussing them with you.
I could explain why I think the term astroturfing does apply to your actions, even though they were not exactly the same as Holden’s activities, but the pattern of discussion I’ve experienced and witnessed with you gives me very low credence that the discussion will lead to any change in our relative positions.
I hope the break is good for your health and wish you well.