I’ve only really gotten to know scrupulous agreeable vegans who are aware of the hostile vegan perception and so correct against it really hard. Because of this social context, I definitely roll my eyes at nonvegans complaining about aggro vegans, cuz it sounds made up! I also think “does anyone mind if I order a steak” and maybe even napkin math is not only a reasonable equilibrium, I go further and say that it’s like a minimum viable equilibrium for any defensible understanding of moral uncertainty or epistemic cooperation. And I’ve definitely met plenty of nonvegans who would interpret the suggestion of this norm as smug virtue signaling going too far and whatever, and I don’t even know how to become sympathetic to this reaction haha.
More to the point: yes, in 2015 part of my exhaustion and disillusionment with veganism was basically that if 1⁄10 restaurants are viable for me then i’m just deleting 90% of interactions from my lightcone in a way that’s annoying to go out of my way to correct for. This definitely matters, it was salient to me! I’ve always been into finding common ground with my species through bantering in local slang on the sidewalk or getting takeout, it’s restorative and helps me fight various sources of jaded cope with the brokenness of the world.
Very interesting, I hadn’t heard about this!!
I’ve only really gotten to know scrupulous agreeable vegans who are aware of the hostile vegan perception and so correct against it really hard. Because of this social context, I definitely roll my eyes at nonvegans complaining about aggro vegans, cuz it sounds made up! I also think “does anyone mind if I order a steak” and maybe even napkin math is not only a reasonable equilibrium, I go further and say that it’s like a minimum viable equilibrium for any defensible understanding of moral uncertainty or epistemic cooperation. And I’ve definitely met plenty of nonvegans who would interpret the suggestion of this norm as smug virtue signaling going too far and whatever, and I don’t even know how to become sympathetic to this reaction haha.
More to the point: yes, in 2015 part of my exhaustion and disillusionment with veganism was basically that if 1⁄10 restaurants are viable for me then i’m just deleting 90% of interactions from my lightcone in a way that’s annoying to go out of my way to correct for. This definitely matters, it was salient to me! I’ve always been into finding common ground with my species through bantering in local slang on the sidewalk or getting takeout, it’s restorative and helps me fight various sources of jaded cope with the brokenness of the world.