I am struck yet again by a double standard here, where if some groups or subcommunities complain that EA is not inclusive, or is too polarizing, their views are taken very seriously, and discussed respectfully. Whereas if other groups or subcommunities (e.g. men who don’t like misandry, or poly people) complain that EA is not inclusive, their views are dismissed as irrelevant distractions.
Yeah there’s nonzero truth to this. An example is that Hanania’s attempts at contributing to EA dialogue get downvoted to oblivion on here (though this example is flawed: Hanania has a mean-spirited and unpleasant writing style that would generate downvotes regardless of the value of his analysis). I think it’s basically fine to conclude that the median request for epistemic diversity around here is a thinly veiled complaint about the space not being lefty enough.
Which isn’t intrinsically the same thing as the question of which group’s grievances are honored and which groups are told to get over it, but definitely correlated.
I disagree with Geoffrey because I think on the forum (with a couple exceptions) that the “stereotype risk” or “risks from aggressive generalization” insofar as they may in theory negatively impact male readers are well within a reasonable error tolerance, I’ve seen really hardly anyone step over the line into what I’d call misandry, or even come close really. (but that may just be cuz I’m toughened up from my years adjacent to outwardly pro misandry parts of lefty cultures, lmao).
Moreover I expect OP would reasonably find relitigating epistemic diversity a little off topic. Kinda related but very different emphasis.
I may be sensitized to the downsides of what one could call ‘casual misandry’ from my time hosting the Mating Grounds podcast (2014-2016), when we took calls from hundreds of young single men who felt unfairly attacked, demonized, & stereotyped by the current mainstream culture. So when I see discussions of sexual (mis)conduct issues in EA Forum, I may be perceiving more casual misandry and anti-male stereotyping than others might.
Jason, thanks for your hypothesis.
I am struck yet again by a double standard here, where if some groups or subcommunities complain that EA is not inclusive, or is too polarizing, their views are taken very seriously, and discussed respectfully. Whereas if other groups or subcommunities (e.g. men who don’t like misandry, or poly people) complain that EA is not inclusive, their views are dismissed as irrelevant distractions.
Yeah there’s nonzero truth to this. An example is that Hanania’s attempts at contributing to EA dialogue get downvoted to oblivion on here (though this example is flawed: Hanania has a mean-spirited and unpleasant writing style that would generate downvotes regardless of the value of his analysis). I think it’s basically fine to conclude that the median request for epistemic diversity around here is a thinly veiled complaint about the space not being lefty enough.
Which isn’t intrinsically the same thing as the question of which group’s grievances are honored and which groups are told to get over it, but definitely correlated.
I disagree with Geoffrey because I think on the forum (with a couple exceptions) that the “stereotype risk” or “risks from aggressive generalization” insofar as they may in theory negatively impact male readers are well within a reasonable error tolerance, I’ve seen really hardly anyone step over the line into what I’d call misandry, or even come close really. (but that may just be cuz I’m toughened up from my years adjacent to outwardly pro misandry parts of lefty cultures, lmao).
Moreover I expect OP would reasonably find relitigating epistemic diversity a little off topic. Kinda related but very different emphasis.
quinn—thanks for your reply. Valid points.
I may be sensitized to the downsides of what one could call ‘casual misandry’ from my time hosting the Mating Grounds podcast (2014-2016), when we took calls from hundreds of young single men who felt unfairly attacked, demonized, & stereotyped by the current mainstream culture. So when I see discussions of sexual (mis)conduct issues in EA Forum, I may be perceiving more casual misandry and anti-male stereotyping than others might.