I think we should definitely not be loyal to people who commit massive fraud, or praise ambitious destruction! I know “stand fully by my people no matter how right or wrong they are” is a common moral stance but I think it’s enormously wrong and destructive. It’s an important virtue to support things that are good and not things that are bad, even if we’re very attached to them. (Also, like, I think SBF betrayed “us” first.)
(Sorry this is more of a skeleton of an argument than an actual argument, I keep meaning to write out more of my thinking here and not finding time)
or like, if you’re close with someone who did a significant bad thing and is now facing significant consequences for it, it can make sense to be loyal in the sense of—trying to help them make it through this time, trying to not make things worse for them. but not in the sense of denying or defending their wrongdoing.
I think we should definitely not be loyal to people who commit massive fraud, or praise ambitious destruction! I know “stand fully by my people no matter how right or wrong they are” is a common moral stance but I think it’s enormously wrong and destructive. It’s an important virtue to support things that are good and not things that are bad, even if we’re very attached to them. (Also, like, I think SBF betrayed “us” first.)
(Sorry this is more of a skeleton of an argument than an actual argument, I keep meaning to write out more of my thinking here and not finding time)
or like, if you’re close with someone who did a significant bad thing and is now facing significant consequences for it, it can make sense to be loyal in the sense of—trying to help them make it through this time, trying to not make things worse for them. but not in the sense of denying or defending their wrongdoing.