There are many more arguments both for and against that I’m not going to enumerate here, but are definitely available elsewhere in the forum. I’ll also plug that I agree with Henry’s comment—there are grassroots effects that are hard to measure, but my intuition is they have sneakily high EV.
But the main argument for me, and many other vegans (and vegetarians, but I’ll just say vegans for brevity) I know, is that at some point, they stop wanting to eat meat. If one truly views it as a chore, it will always be seen as a sacrifice. However, if the notion of eating animal products truly grosses you out, then it’s basically easier to be vegan than to eat meat.
I am not trying to deny that animal products can smell or taste great! But at this point, if I were to have a bite of chicken, the first thought for me would be “I am eating this factory farmed chicken that lived a horrible life of abject suffering” and not “hey, this tastes good.” It just grosses me out. Perhaps this would be a corollary to your point 5, but at some point, the dedication to the diet becomes more internalized. At that point, points 2 and 3 somewhat fall off, because it’s just a baseline lifestyle rather than part of my EA-aligned activities.
(To be clear, I acknowledge that this isn’t a universal vegan experience. I don’t mean to invalidate longtime committed vegetarians/vegans who don’t view meat the same way I do. I just mean to point out that there is potentially some light at the end of the tunnel that makes committing to this diet/lifestyle significantly easier. For me, that was about one year after transitioning from vegetarianism to veganism. Watching Dominion helped lock in any remaining doubts I may have had at the 1.5-2 year mark.)
There are many more arguments both for and against that I’m not going to enumerate here, but are definitely available elsewhere in the forum. I’ll also plug that I agree with Henry’s comment—there are grassroots effects that are hard to measure, but my intuition is they have sneakily high EV.
But the main argument for me, and many other vegans (and vegetarians, but I’ll just say vegans for brevity) I know, is that at some point, they stop wanting to eat meat. If one truly views it as a chore, it will always be seen as a sacrifice. However, if the notion of eating animal products truly grosses you out, then it’s basically easier to be vegan than to eat meat.
I am not trying to deny that animal products can smell or taste great! But at this point, if I were to have a bite of chicken, the first thought for me would be “I am eating this factory farmed chicken that lived a horrible life of abject suffering” and not “hey, this tastes good.” It just grosses me out. Perhaps this would be a corollary to your point 5, but at some point, the dedication to the diet becomes more internalized. At that point, points 2 and 3 somewhat fall off, because it’s just a baseline lifestyle rather than part of my EA-aligned activities.
(To be clear, I acknowledge that this isn’t a universal vegan experience. I don’t mean to invalidate longtime committed vegetarians/vegans who don’t view meat the same way I do. I just mean to point out that there is potentially some light at the end of the tunnel that makes committing to this diet/lifestyle significantly easier. For me, that was about one year after transitioning from vegetarianism to veganism. Watching Dominion helped lock in any remaining doubts I may have had at the 1.5-2 year mark.)
Yeah good point. I’m not as grossed out by eating meat as many other vegetarians. But I get that it’s a good argument for many!