On Helene’s Paper and I stopped reading after this assumption -
I would agree on this if yes her claim that scenarios occur “all things are equal” can happen but unfortunately in reality it is not very feasible as again , equality of skills, talents and personalities never happens . Collective opportunity to speak and explain (freedom of speech) is very much encouraged but not all people that can speak can think well enough especially if the complexity of a certain issue is requiring technical ability. That Is why I believe EA projects geared towards prizing mechanisms for difficult problems is geared for those who can dissect and synthesize issues and bring light to them with a reward. EA does not survey their way for answers from the forum—they look for people who can directly solve the problem.
I hope there is just an easy answer to all of our aspirations for the future but I’m afraid we need the world’s brightest minds to bind together - those who can filter the complexity of physics, computational science, geometry, biology to find a proper solution to the far future.
Greetings, I just checked where the paragraph where you stopped is and it was in page 3 out of the 10 pages, I think you didn’t give poor Helene much of a chance, hehe :)
oh dear, can you tell me a little bit more about how EA works? I would try to propose ways of pooling collective wisdom to solve problems, I hope it doesn’t mean that I’m in the wrong place.
By the way, apologies if i delayed in answering this, I totally missed it and scrolled down luckily just now.
Just one question though: If you think that democracy has no value in giving answers to important questions, do you still value it and if so as what? Would you prefer rule by an englightened class of people, the knowledgeable ones? (it’s called epistocracy)
No worries on the delay. To answer your question on how EA works especially on difficult problems? I am not as familiar to the totality of Effective Altruism but my understanding is all are trying to solve issues as effectively as possible—in which is in line to for me to not seeing a mechanism where the average wisdom being utilized for grand scale issues. We are talking about difficult issues here, not average problems that we have solutions already.
Again, my understanding is the government might be reaching the limits of capacity to harnessing democracy as a prime selector of talent—politicians that we place in positions of responsibility and are unable to cope with the rapidly changing world that we have. I would not say that knowledgeable people are the ones should lead too...I will try to put a blog on this so I can answer the question extensively. I will link it here. Probably tomorrow.
Thank you for your questions. I read the powerpoint—I did not understand the flow, better send the actual presentation so maybe I can review it or try to explain it here.
Many thanks for this, quite thought-provoking. Looking forward to your blog post, I hope I can brag a bit that I played a role in it by giving you some food for thought :)
As for the powerpoint, mind telling me what you mean by flow? As unfortunately I don’t have the video for that one, we may have to go either with focussed questions or just a video session where I walk you through it. I suppose one think you can get started, do you know what ‘wicked problems’ are? You can get a bit of an idea about them by wikipedia, i trust the wisdom of the crowd on that (otherwise i can refer you to the original paper).
Thanks Haris, I will hit you up tomorrow once that blog about seeking talent is. This blog series btw are topics cited in the Project Ideas of Future Fund. I am just following that list—That is where the constitution of the future initially birthed.
Hmmm what does wicked problems refer? I mean to a degree—life is a tragic story so all problems in between seem wicked but for those who understand that meaning can be extracted from solving this problems—all are not as wicked or just merely “problems”.
Yeah if you can expand on what wicked problems are, that will be a good starting point.
Dear Miguel, so this Project Ideas of Future Fund gives out money for things such as a constitution for the future or other decision-making tools? You’re tempting me there, I’ll have to check it out.
You should check out the list on their page. I am just writing more as I learn deeper into the effective altruism world and hopefully get to join one of the organizations that are trying to make the world or the far future extremely good. Let me know your thoughts.
I’ll look into it, the wicked problem wiki and will let you know my ideas.
I’m here also because I want my life to have a bit more of an impact on others and the future. It’s a journey that I have only undertaken recently (I mean with EA), we’ll see where it leads me—you never know, we may end up working together, hehe :)
Yup, let me know of your ideas—it may even affect our discussion above about experts and problems.
Yes Haris! It will be an honor to work with you as you have the same energy as I am trying to understand the nature of each topics. Let’s talk more in the next topics. Share me some of your work if you need some opinions or comments too.
Excellent!! I saw you’ve posted on another topic but haven’t read it yet. At the moment I have no further work than what you can see on my Researchgate profile (where the link of the presentation you saw is) I’m mostly interested in decision-making and governance, though also with the AI/AGI alignement problem (though I don’t have the background in computing). I’m taking the policy-making course by an EA affiliated entity (it starts the week after next) and the EA course (was supposed to start yesterday, but will start next Tuesday) and in the meanwhile just scoping around for ideas.
I’m trying to expand my understanding with all the future ideas that is being tackled by EA...good luck with your course and let me know if you need someone to bounce around ideas. I would be more than happy to share my time dude.
Hello Harris,
On Helene’s Paper and I stopped reading after this assumption -
I would agree on this if yes her claim that scenarios occur “all things are equal” can happen but unfortunately in reality it is not very feasible as again , equality of skills, talents and personalities never happens . Collective opportunity to speak and explain (freedom of speech) is very much encouraged but not all people that can speak can think well enough especially if the complexity of a certain issue is requiring technical ability. That Is why I believe EA projects geared towards prizing mechanisms for difficult problems is geared for those who can dissect and synthesize issues and bring light to them with a reward. EA does not survey their way for answers from the forum—they look for people who can directly solve the problem.
I hope there is just an easy answer to all of our aspirations for the future but I’m afraid we need the world’s brightest minds to bind together - those who can filter the complexity of physics, computational science, geometry, biology to find a proper solution to the far future.
Thank you though for sharing, All the best.
Miguel
Dear Miguel,
Greetings, I just checked where the paragraph where you stopped is and it was in page 3 out of the 10 pages, I think you didn’t give poor Helene much of a chance, hehe :)
oh dear, can you tell me a little bit more about how EA works? I would try to propose ways of pooling collective wisdom to solve problems, I hope it doesn’t mean that I’m in the wrong place.
By the way, apologies if i delayed in answering this, I totally missed it and scrolled down luckily just now.
Just one question though: If you think that democracy has no value in giving answers to important questions, do you still value it and if so as what? Would you prefer rule by an englightened class of people, the knowledgeable ones? (it’s called epistocracy)
Best Wishes,
Haris
Hi Haris,
No worries on the delay. To answer your question on how EA works especially on difficult problems? I am not as familiar to the totality of Effective Altruism but my understanding is all are trying to solve issues as effectively as possible—in which is in line to for me to not seeing a mechanism where the average wisdom being utilized for grand scale issues. We are talking about difficult issues here, not average problems that we have solutions already.
Again, my understanding is the government might be reaching the limits of capacity to harnessing democracy as a prime selector of talent—politicians that we place in positions of responsibility and are unable to cope with the rapidly changing world that we have. I would not say that knowledgeable people are the ones should lead too...I will try to put a blog on this so I can answer the question extensively. I will link it here. Probably tomorrow.
Thank you for your questions. I read the powerpoint—I did not understand the flow, better send the actual presentation so maybe I can review it or try to explain it here.
All the best,
Haris
Dear Miguel,
Many thanks for this, quite thought-provoking. Looking forward to your blog post, I hope I can brag a bit that I played a role in it by giving you some food for thought :)
As for the powerpoint, mind telling me what you mean by flow? As unfortunately I don’t have the video for that one, we may have to go either with focussed questions or just a video session where I walk you through it. I suppose one think you can get started, do you know what ‘wicked problems’ are? You can get a bit of an idea about them by wikipedia, i trust the wisdom of the crowd on that (otherwise i can refer you to the original paper).
Best Wishes,
Haris (not Miguel, see above, hehe)
Hi Haris,
Thanks Haris, I will hit you up tomorrow once that blog about seeking talent is. This blog series btw are topics cited in the Project Ideas of Future Fund. I am just following that list—That is where the constitution of the future initially birthed.
Hmmm what does wicked problems refer? I mean to a degree—life is a tragic story so all problems in between seem wicked but for those who understand that meaning can be extracted from solving this problems—all are not as wicked or just merely “problems”.
Yeah if you can expand on what wicked problems are, that will be a good starting point.
All the best,
Miguel
Dear Miguel, so this Project Ideas of Future Fund gives out money for things such as a constitution for the future or other decision-making tools? You’re tempting me there, I’ll have to check it out.
As for wicked problems, here’s the wikipedia post, it’s a bit more specific than what you mention there, let’s see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_problem this could be a good start.
Best Wishes,
Haris
Hi Harris,
You should check out the list on their page. I am just writing more as I learn deeper into the effective altruism world and hopefully get to join one of the organizations that are trying to make the world or the far future extremely good. Let me know your thoughts.
I’ll look into it, the wicked problem wiki and will let you know my ideas.
All the best,
Miguel
Dear Miguel, thanks I’ll check them out!
I’m here also because I want my life to have a bit more of an impact on others and the future. It’s a journey that I have only undertaken recently (I mean with EA), we’ll see where it leads me—you never know, we may end up working together, hehe :)
Yup, let me know of your ideas—it may even affect our discussion above about experts and problems.
Best Wishes,
Haris
Yes Haris! It will be an honor to work with you as you have the same energy as I am trying to understand the nature of each topics. Let’s talk more in the next topics. Share me some of your work if you need some opinions or comments too.
All the best,
Miguel
Dear Miguel,
Excellent!! I saw you’ve posted on another topic but haven’t read it yet. At the moment I have no further work than what you can see on my Researchgate profile (where the link of the presentation you saw is) I’m mostly interested in decision-making and governance, though also with the AI/AGI alignement problem (though I don’t have the background in computing). I’m taking the policy-making course by an EA affiliated entity (it starts the week after next) and the EA course (was supposed to start yesterday, but will start next Tuesday) and in the meanwhile just scoping around for ideas.
Best Wishes,
Haris
Yes Harris,
I’m trying to expand my understanding with all the future ideas that is being tackled by EA...good luck with your course and let me know if you need someone to bounce around ideas. I would be more than happy to share my time dude.
All the best,
Miguel
Hey hello,
Thanks, let’s digest stuff a bit in the next few days and see how it goes. Thanks for the offer, same goes for me, at the moment I’ve got time! :)
Best Wishes,
Haris
Thank you for your time on my blog post Haris, really appreciate it!