My reaction here was: ‘Good, someone shows they care enough about this issue that they’re willing to give a costly signal to others that this needs to be taken seriously’ (i.e. your point a).
I do personally think many people in EA and rationalist circles (particularly those concerned about AI risk) can act more proactively to try and prevent harmful AI developments (in non-violent ways).
It’s fair though to raise the concern that Guido’s hungerstrike could set an example for others to take actions that are harmful to themselves. If you have any example of this happening before, I’d like to learn from it (besides the Ziz stuff).
To be clear, Guido is a seasoned activist (before in climate movement, Roe v. Wade, etc). I’d expect for him to end the hunger strike before he really gets into health issues. He’s also not part of the safety community, but rather the broader Stop AI movement.
At the same time, I appreciate you sharing your opinion here, and I am more just open to having a conversation about it.
Yeah, it’s a case of people being manipulated into harmful actions. I’m saying ‘besides’ because it feels like a different category of social situation than seeing someone take some public action online and deciding for yourself to take action too.
One of the killings was, as far as we know, purely mimetic and (allegedly) made by someone (@Maximilian Snyder) who never even interacted online with Ziz, so I don’t think it’s an invalid example to bring up actually.
My reaction here was: ‘Good, someone shows they care enough about this issue that they’re willing to give a costly signal to others that this needs to be taken seriously’ (i.e. your point a).
I do personally think many people in EA and rationalist circles (particularly those concerned about AI risk) can act more proactively to try and prevent harmful AI developments (in non-violent ways).
It’s fair though to raise the concern that Guido’s hungerstrike could set an example for others to take actions that are harmful to themselves. If you have any example of this happening before, I’d like to learn from it (besides the Ziz stuff).
To be clear, Guido is a seasoned activist (before in climate movement, Roe v. Wade, etc). I’d expect for him to end the hunger strike before he really gets into health issues. He’s also not part of the safety community, but rather the broader Stop AI movement.
At the same time, I appreciate you sharing your opinion here, and I am more just open to having a conversation about it.
This is a very big “besides”!
Yeah, it’s a case of people being manipulated into harmful actions. I’m saying ‘besides’ because it feels like a different category of social situation than seeing someone take some public action online and deciding for yourself to take action too.
One of the killings was, as far as we know, purely mimetic and (allegedly) made by someone (@Maximilian Snyder) who never even interacted online with Ziz, so I don’t think it’s an invalid example to bring up actually.