I lead CEA’s University Groups team. We often post updates on the Forum about what we’re up to, and are always happy to answer questions!
I helped start & ran Positive Impact Society Erasmus (PISE) in 2020-2022, and was co-lead for EAGxRotterdam 2022. I’m happy to answer any questions about those experiences!
Thanks for clarifying that national groups fulfil important roles beyond those two parts of the funnel!
Reading this made me realise I’m worried that there are important things that regional/national groups do that aren’t always very legible to funders, like:
Allowing EAs outside of traditional EA Hubs maintain motivation in their work (kind of what you describe in the ‘Continuous contact points’ section)
Having EAGx conferences take place (initiating the idea; getting a team together, etc.)
Fostering positive portrayals of Effective Altruism in local media outlets
I’m worried that various contributions of national groups are hard to capture in a metric like ‘longtermist career changes’, and think this post is helpful in clarifying the importance of funders not being too myopic in their grantmaking decisions. [Edit: I’m not necessarily arguing they are] Thanks for writing this!
A few months ago, @Naomi N and I collected this overview of all post-FTX reflection-related projects we were aware of at the time—you and others might find that helpful!
Two months ago our group ran a 4-week fellowship! We plan on writing a longer forum post about it soon, but here are some main takeaways:
I think our approach combined some of the suggestions you do: our fellowship was a 4-week sprint, we offered extra events during and after the program and went on a retreat right after the groups finished their fellowship
There’s no AB test on this, but our intuition is that people were more comfortable with committing to a 4 week rather than an 8 week program
We heightened the workload a bit, from ~2.5 hours to ~4 hours per week (1.5 hour sessions, 2.5 hours of preparation). This allowed us to still cover the majority of the content of a regular fellowship
With a shorter fellowship it becomes even more important to plan it right, so that fellows don’t miss half the sessions (due to exams for example)
In general, thanks for writing this important post! I think I would even extend your points to a general call for group organizers to be more innovative in their approaches to group organizing. Curious what you think of this :)
Thanks Wil! I will DM you some details after the weekend :)
Thank you for your post Naomi! I saw some interesting similarities with how we organize our student group, so I wrote down some thoughts below.
Firstly, that same trend (heightened interest in aug/sep and jan/feb) probably also applies to students’ availability/willingness to get engaged with new initiatives on their campus. This is certainly true for students at our university, so we also work with two ‘recruitment seasons’ (we call them ‘cycles’) per year.
Three additions to your image from our student group’s perspective would be:
Our initial marketing also included tabling at the university’s fair for incoming students.
This year we’re experimenting with a 4-week introduction to EA (preceded by some information sessions, indeed to reduce drop-out rate of our fellowship). The idea behind not doing a regular 8-week program is that it’s easier to compete for students’ attention with a shorter program. We hope to write a forum post about our 4-week fellowship experiment soon.
Right after this introduction program to EA, we present students with an array of options to get further engaged. These include becoming an official ‘member’ of our group, joining one of our committees, joining us on a retreat, etc. I’d be curious to hear if you have any innovative approaches to post-fellowship engagement of participants! (I think one of our organizers will also report on our ‘innovative’ approaches to engaging student-EA’s at some point in the future.)
Finally, choosing a ‘non-EA’ name for the introduction program sounds like an interesting experiment. Could you maybe share some additional insights from this (other than that there luckily was no confusion about the program being EA or not)? Perhaps we could also rename our introduction program, although that might get confusing as our group name also doesn’t directly include a reference to EA (the rest of our marketing does, though).
Thanks both! This is so nice to hear!
To potentially confuse things even more: I know some groups in the Netherlands use the name ‘IDEA program’ to refer to the in-depth fellowship.
In-Depth EA program
This sounds great! PISE, the group at Erasmus University Rotterdam (the Netherlands) has also been trying to this over the past two years. Although it’s far from perfect, I think we have a pretty good branding and online presence (especially compared to the average EA group). Feel free to check out our Instagram, I’d be happy to put you in touch with the people who do the hard work of creating great marketing content :)
Thanks Michael, also for the suggestions you made above! You raise good points and I would’ve loved to study negative examples and examples from corporate governance, but the scope of my thesis unfortunately has to be really limited—hopefully someone else can look at these later!
Thank you, edited!
For anyone wondering what other reflection/reform projects are happening—just plugging this overview Naomi and I put together!