my point is that, within the FAW and altpro movements, A is mentioned
Oh interesting, I wasn’t aware this point came up much. Taking your word for it, I agree then that (A) shouldn’t get more weight than (B) (except insofar as we have separate, non-speculative reasons to be more bullish about economic interventions).
I think you kind of changed the “latter argument” a bit here from what we were discussing before.
Sorry for the confusion—I was trying to say that alt-pro advocates often have an argument that’s different (and better-grounded) than (A) and (B).
In other words, my current view is that (A) and (B) roughly “cancel out” due to being similarly speculative, while the separate view that “good, lasting value change is more likely when it’s convenient” is better-grounded than its opposite.
Voted agree! I think we are gaining understanding, and maybe converging on our views a bit.
Also, I want to mention that I have shifted quite a bit from my worry I wrote in this post, so much that I actually updated some parts of it. My high level takeaway now is that we SHOULD keep up, probably speed up alt-pro (maybe particularly CM), but at roughly the point that alt-pro replaced 70-80% of factory farming, we should seriously consider putting much more effort (than now) on moral and legal advocacy.
Oh interesting, I wasn’t aware this point came up much. Taking your word for it, I agree then that (A) shouldn’t get more weight than (B) (except insofar as we have separate, non-speculative reasons to be more bullish about economic interventions).
Sorry for the confusion—I was trying to say that alt-pro advocates often have an argument that’s different (and better-grounded) than (A) and (B).
In other words, my current view is that (A) and (B) roughly “cancel out” due to being similarly speculative, while the separate view that “good, lasting value change is more likely when it’s convenient” is better-grounded than its opposite.
Voted agree! I think we are gaining understanding, and maybe converging on our views a bit.
Also, I want to mention that I have shifted quite a bit from my worry I wrote in this post, so much that I actually updated some parts of it. My high level takeaway now is that we SHOULD keep up, probably speed up alt-pro (maybe particularly CM), but at roughly the point that alt-pro replaced 70-80% of factory farming, we should seriously consider putting much more effort (than now) on moral and legal advocacy.
Thank you everyone for the discussion!