It is very difficult for people to change their minds later, and most people assume that if you’re on trial, you must be guilty, which is why judges remind juries about “innocent before proven guilty”.
This is one of the foundations of our legal system, something we learned over thousands of years of trying to get better at justice. You’re just assuming I’m guilty and saying that justifies not giving me a chance to present my evidence.
Trials are public as well. Indeed our justice system generally doesn’t have secret courts, so I am not sure what argument you are trying to make here. In as much as you want to make an analogue to the legal system, you now also have the ability to present your evidence, in front of an audience of your peers. The “jury” has not decided anything (and neither have I, at least regarding the dynamics and accusations listed in the post).
I am not assuming you are guilty. My current best guess is that you have done some pretty bad things, but yeah, I haven’t heard your side very much, and I will update and signal boost your evidence if you provide me with evidence that the core points of this post are wrong.
Also, if we post another comment thread a week later, who will see it? EAF/LW don’t have sufficient ways to resurface old but important content.
You could make a new top-level post. I expect it would get plenty of engagement. The EAF/LW seems really quite capable of resurfacing various types of community conflict, and making it the center of attention for a long time.
You also took my email strategically out of context to fit the Emerson-is-a-horned-CEO-villain narrative. Here’s the full one:
I shared the part that seemed relevant to me, since sharing the whole email seemed excessive. I don’t think the rest of the email changes the context of the libel suit threat you made, though readers can decide that for themselves.
Just a quick note that my read of the full email does not really change the context of the libel suit threat, or Habryka’s claims, especially given much of the missing information from the email was already in a public comment by Kat.
I also agree that if Nonlinear provided substantive evidence in a top-level post that dramatically changed the narrative of this story, e.g. change my personal credence of each of these claims to <15%, it would receive significant attention, such as staying on the front page on the community tab for at least 1 week, gain >150 karma etc.
Trials are public as well. Indeed our justice system generally doesn’t have secret courts, so I am not sure what argument you are trying to make here. In as much as you want to make an analogue to the legal system, you now also have the ability to present your evidence, in front of an audience of your peers. The “jury” has not decided anything (and neither have I, at least regarding the dynamics and accusations listed in the post).
I am not assuming you are guilty. My current best guess is that you have done some pretty bad things, but yeah, I haven’t heard your side very much, and I will update and signal boost your evidence if you provide me with evidence that the core points of this post are wrong.
You could make a new top-level post. I expect it would get plenty of engagement. The EAF/LW seems really quite capable of resurfacing various types of community conflict, and making it the center of attention for a long time.
I shared the part that seemed relevant to me, since sharing the whole email seemed excessive. I don’t think the rest of the email changes the context of the libel suit threat you made, though readers can decide that for themselves.
Just a quick note that my read of the full email does not really change the context of the libel suit threat, or Habryka’s claims, especially given much of the missing information from the email was already in a public comment by Kat.
I also agree that if Nonlinear provided substantive evidence in a top-level post that dramatically changed the narrative of this story, e.g. change my personal credence of each of these claims to <15%, it would receive significant attention, such as staying on the front page on the community tab for at least 1 week, gain >150 karma etc.