Leaving aside for a moment the much bigger question of how you end up living overseas with someone when you can’t work out whether they are an employee or not and then suggesting they act as a drug mule (very happy to be corrected on any of those points, these seem unaddressed to date).
Having read the linked texts in the google doc I am extremely confused how anyone would post them thinking they were exculpatory for the Nonlinear team?
A sick person explains (a) they are starving, (b) don’t have any food, (c) can’t get delivery and (d) are home w presumed C-19.
They ask clearly and repeatedly for a vegan burger and fries from burger king. Their request is painfully clear.
Over the course of 2 hours and 32 mins (based on time stamps) Emerson and Drew manage to: i) not do that, ii) choose a restaurant with no consideration for whether there is any vegan food iii) tell them they should not go outside to find food themselves iv) manage to eventually find a side salad, and v) all of this takes a lot of asking on the sick person’s behalf.
And this is meant to show how reasonable the Nonlinear team are? They seem to have done far less than the minimum.
My main takeaway, besides sadness at Alice’s experience in that moment, is that we really need to improve EA governance. All power to the Nonlinear team if they want to change the world with a nontraditional ‘family’ dynamic but we can’t be granting EA funds to these orgs with such terrible governance or encouraging early career professionals to work there.
Apologies if this isn’t in line with the forum rules and norms, first time poster, driven by the visceral response of reading those texts.
Priors: Had met Kat at EAG events, found her to be impressive and really likable. Don’t believe I know anyone else.
The claim in the post was “Alice claims she was sick with covid in a foreign country, with only the three Nonlinear cofounders around, but nobody in the house was willing to go out and get her vegan food, so she barely ate for 2 days.”. (Bolding added)
If you look at the chat messages, you’ll see we have screenshots demonstrating that:
1. There was vegan food in the house, which we offered her.
2. I personally went out, while I was sick myself, to buy vegan food for her (mashed potatoes) and cooked it for her and brought it to her.
I would be fine if she told people that she was hungry when she was sick, and she felt sad and stressed. Or that she was hungry but wasn’t interested in any of the food we had in the house and we didn’t get her Burger King.
But I think that there’s a big difference between telling everyone “I didn’t get the food I wanted, but they did get/offer to cook me vegan food, and I told them it was ok!” and “they refused to get me vegan food and I barely ate for 2 days”
I have sympathy for Alice. She was hungry (because of her fighting with a boyfriend [not Drew] in the morning and having a light breakfast) and she was sick. That sucks, and I feel for her. And that’s why I tried (and succeeded) in getting her vegan food.
In summary. “Alice claims she was sick with covid in a foreign country, with only the three Nonlinear cofounders around, but nobody in the house was willing to go out and get her vegan food, so she barely ate for 2 days.”. (Bolding added) This makes us sound like terrible people.
What actually happened: she was sick and hungry, and we offered to cook or bring over the vegan options in the house, then went out and bought and cooked her vegan food. We tried to take care of our sick friend (she wasn’t working for us at the time), and we fed her while she was sick.
Leaving aside for a moment the much bigger question of how you end up living overseas with someone when you can’t work out whether they are an employee or not and then suggesting they act as a drug mule (very happy to be corrected on any of those points, these seem unaddressed to date).
Having read the linked texts in the google doc I am extremely confused how anyone would post them thinking they were exculpatory for the Nonlinear team?
A sick person explains (a) they are starving, (b) don’t have any food, (c) can’t get delivery and (d) are home w presumed C-19.
They ask clearly and repeatedly for a vegan burger and fries from burger king. Their request is painfully clear.
Over the course of 2 hours and 32 mins (based on time stamps) Emerson and Drew manage to:
i) not do that,
ii) choose a restaurant with no consideration for whether there is any vegan food
iii) tell them they should not go outside to find food themselves
iv) manage to eventually find a side salad, and
v) all of this takes a lot of asking on the sick person’s behalf.
And this is meant to show how reasonable the Nonlinear team are? They seem to have done far less than the minimum.
My main takeaway, besides sadness at Alice’s experience in that moment, is that we really need to improve EA governance. All power to the Nonlinear team if they want to change the world with a nontraditional ‘family’ dynamic but we can’t be granting EA funds to these orgs with such terrible governance or encouraging early career professionals to work there.
Apologies if this isn’t in line with the forum rules and norms, first time poster, driven by the visceral response of reading those texts.
Priors: Had met Kat at EAG events, found her to be impressive and really likable. Don’t believe I know anyone else.
The claim in the post was “Alice claims she was sick with covid in a foreign country, with only the three Nonlinear cofounders around, but nobody in the house was willing to go out and get her vegan food, so she barely ate for 2 days.”. (Bolding added)
If you look at the chat messages, you’ll see we have screenshots demonstrating that:
1. There was vegan food in the house, which we offered her.
2. I personally went out, while I was sick myself, to buy vegan food for her (mashed potatoes) and cooked it for her and brought it to her.
I would be fine if she told people that she was hungry when she was sick, and she felt sad and stressed. Or that she was hungry but wasn’t interested in any of the food we had in the house and we didn’t get her Burger King.
But I think that there’s a big difference between telling everyone “I didn’t get the food I wanted, but they did get/offer to cook me vegan food, and I told them it was ok!” and “they refused to get me vegan food and I barely ate for 2 days”
I have sympathy for Alice. She was hungry (because of her fighting with a boyfriend [not Drew] in the morning and having a light breakfast) and she was sick. That sucks, and I feel for her. And that’s why I tried (and succeeded) in getting her vegan food.
In summary. “Alice claims she was sick with covid in a foreign country, with only the three Nonlinear cofounders around, but nobody in the house was willing to go out and get her vegan food, so she barely ate for 2 days.”. (Bolding added) This makes us sound like terrible people.
What actually happened: she was sick and hungry, and we offered to cook or bring over the vegan options in the house, then went out and bought and cooked her vegan food. We tried to take care of our sick friend (she wasn’t working for us at the time), and we fed her while she was sick.