BTW, it’s interesting that there seems to be a cadre of EAs who get notifications whenever I post something, and they immediately disagree-vote on it, within a few minutes, if it involves any criticism of wokeness. But they don’t actually reply with any concrete reasons for disagreement. Then later the other EAs who come across the post naturally tend to agree-vote more often with it.
I would also be interested in what you mean by wokeness—I haven’t downvoted you but I don’t think I follow your point, largely because I don’t know what you mean by “woke takeover” or “woke-versus-antiwoke.”
I don’t get notifications for your posts, I saw it when I read the comments on this post and disagreed with it because I personally dislike the use of the word “woke” and see it as divisive in itself. It would be helpful for me if you could define what you mean by woke and explain what it means to EA. I know it is a common term used in the US and in twitter conversations about American politics, but I would prefer to not see US political discourse language in EA unless it’s really illuminating any real issues or threats. You seem
to be making a lot of general claims like “Movements and organizations often find it difficult to protect themselves from woke takeover, because they don’t understand what’s happening, they don’t have good counter-arguments, they’re too guilt-prone and easily shamed, and they’re too conflict-averse. ”, but it’s not clear to me what you’re referring to.
Thanks for this Lauren I was thinking the same thing. Using labels to ‘us and them’ people isn’t useful, and I think that the word “woke” can mean so many different things that I think it’s not particularly useful.
I think it’s better to name the specific things that you are concerned about, rather than use vague labels like “woke”
Geoffrey, or anyone really, can you please define wokeness?
I fail to see how EA‘s vague opposition to being anti-woke in partisan culture wars are anything more than internecine credible threats to open society. As a neurodivergent and self-identified Black American EA who was moved by and still respects your article on viewpoint and neurodiversity but pragmatically votes on the left as a transpartisan because I don’t see another middle way that isn’t omnicidal?
With genuine respect, I find the blanket dismissals of wokenness to be extremely inflammatory and ineffective in eliciting the calm and respectful pushback from people who want to break new ground that you/EA/we(?) are looking for.
Also, thank you, Lauren, Nick and others for bringing attention to this.
I will admit to having strong downvoted a number of critical posts, while having upvoted others, in order to create an incentive gradient to produce better criticism.
If we start getting less criticism, then I’ll default towards overvoting criticism more.
As far as I can tell, you can’t actually set up notifications for someone’s comments, only posts. Are you suggesting that people are using some external browser extension specific to your comments? I find your notifications theory to be extremely unlikely and borderline conspiratorial.
A more likely explanation is that a lot of people don’t agree with your opinions.
BTW, it’s interesting that there seems to be a cadre of EAs who get notifications whenever I post something, and they immediately disagree-vote on it, within a few minutes, if it involves any criticism of wokeness. But they don’t actually reply with any concrete reasons for disagreement. Then later the other EAs who come across the post naturally tend to agree-vote more often with it.
Yet another tactic of woke takeover?
I would also be interested in what you mean by wokeness—I haven’t downvoted you but I don’t think I follow your point, largely because I don’t know what you mean by “woke takeover” or “woke-versus-antiwoke.”
I don’t get notifications for your posts, I saw it when I read the comments on this post and disagreed with it because I personally dislike the use of the word “woke” and see it as divisive in itself. It would be helpful for me if you could define what you mean by woke and explain what it means to EA. I know it is a common term used in the US and in twitter conversations about American politics, but I would prefer to not see US political discourse language in EA unless it’s really illuminating any real issues or threats. You seem to be making a lot of general claims like “Movements and organizations often find it difficult to protect themselves from woke takeover, because they don’t understand what’s happening, they don’t have good counter-arguments, they’re too guilt-prone and easily shamed, and they’re too conflict-averse. ”, but it’s not clear to me what you’re referring to.
Thanks for this Lauren I was thinking the same thing. Using labels to ‘us and them’ people isn’t useful, and I think that the word “woke” can mean so many different things that I think it’s not particularly useful.
I think it’s better to name the specific things that you are concerned about, rather than use vague labels like “woke”
Geoffrey, or anyone really, can you please define wokeness?
I fail to see how EA‘s vague opposition to being anti-woke in partisan culture wars are anything more than internecine credible threats to open society. As a neurodivergent
and self-identified Black AmericanEA who was moved by and still respects your article on viewpoint and neurodiversity but pragmatically votes on the left as a transpartisan because I don’t see another middle way that isn’t omnicidal?With genuine respect, I find the blanket dismissals of wokenness to be extremely inflammatory and ineffective in eliciting the calm and respectful pushback from people who want to break new ground that you/EA/we(?) are looking for.
Also, thank you, Lauren, Nick and others for bringing attention to this.
If it makes you feel any better, there also seems to be a cadre who downvotes certain critical posts soon after they are made.
(I do not get an alert on anyone’s posts, by the way)
I will admit to having strong downvoted a number of critical posts, while having upvoted others, in order to create an incentive gradient to produce better criticism.
If we start getting less criticism, then I’ll default towards overvoting criticism more.
As far as I can tell, you can’t actually set up notifications for someone’s comments, only posts. Are you suggesting that people are using some external browser extension specific to your comments? I find your notifications theory to be extremely unlikely and borderline conspiratorial.
A more likely explanation is that a lot of people don’t agree with your opinions.