Seems to me worth discussing needs a bit here. Like there seem to be different parties in this discusion. So what are their needs?
Accusers—I guess these people want to feel safe and secure and to think they will be taken seriously and that their need for personal safety won’t be ignored again. Perhaps want to not to feel insulted, as some discussion of this might leave them feeling, even if they are no longer part of the community. They also seem to want to feel safe and so to have the names in the article to stay anonymous.
Those worried about these events—I guess these people desire to feel safe and secure in EA and confident that their friends will be safe and secure in EA. They want to be able to not think about this stuff very much. Perhaps it makes them anxious and disturbs their work.
Rationalists—Rationalists generally want or events to be discussed accurately and precisely. In particularly, a story that’s generally accurate but gets key details wrong seems to upset them. They desire clarity on who has been kicked out of the community and when these events happened. In short, to be able to judge if the community performed well or badly here.
[Rough group] - I sense a group of people want the names of those who we are confident have done bad things to be named publicly so we can avoid having them at events in future.
Sex positive EAs—I sense these people want to feel comfortable that they aren’t gonna be shamed for their behaviour. They like being part of this community which has been welcoming to them .
Discussing needs isn’t to say how we tradeoff these needs, but to acknowledge that different groups have different needs.
I find the frame of Non-Violent Communicationpretty useful in mediating discussion between groups. I sense we can come up with good answers here.
Yes! I was someone who upvoted the comments pointing out the problems with the article, because I think understanding the details of the problem is essential for solving it. However, I definitely don’t want any known or unknown victims to get the impression we are dismissing their experiences. Any sexual misconduct is far too much, and truly terrible things have happened.
Seems to me worth discussing needs a bit here. Like there seem to be different parties in this discusion. So what are their needs?
Accusers—I guess these people want to feel safe and secure and to think they will be taken seriously and that their need for personal safety won’t be ignored again. Perhaps want to not to feel insulted, as some discussion of this might leave them feeling, even if they are no longer part of the community. They also seem to want to feel safe and so to have the names in the article to stay anonymous.
Those worried about these events—I guess these people desire to feel safe and secure in EA and confident that their friends will be safe and secure in EA. They want to be able to not think about this stuff very much. Perhaps it makes them anxious and disturbs their work.
Rationalists—Rationalists generally want or events to be discussed accurately and precisely. In particularly, a story that’s generally accurate but gets key details wrong seems to upset them. They desire clarity on who has been kicked out of the community and when these events happened. In short, to be able to judge if the community performed well or badly here.
[Rough group] - I sense a group of people want the names of those who we are confident have done bad things to be named publicly so we can avoid having them at events in future.
Sex positive EAs—I sense these people want to feel comfortable that they aren’t gonna be shamed for their behaviour. They like being part of this community which has been welcoming to them .
Discussing needs isn’t to say how we tradeoff these needs, but to acknowledge that different groups have different needs.
I find the frame of Non-Violent Communication pretty useful in mediating discussion between groups. I sense we can come up with good answers here.
Yes! I was someone who upvoted the comments pointing out the problems with the article, because I think understanding the details of the problem is essential for solving it. However, I definitely don’t want any known or unknown victims to get the impression we are dismissing their experiences. Any sexual misconduct is far too much, and truly terrible things have happened.
I’m actually confused about why this got so many downvotes, as I didn’t think I was saying anything controversial. Can someone explain?