I only feel that the fear about a lack of in-site organizations might not be realistic. If that was the case, most job offers would be remote and Animal Advocacy Careers’s reports have consistently covered that most jobs are not remote. The Good Food Institute reaches a similar conclusion, only this includes for-profit organisations. I wonder, where does this hunch (or knowledge) about organisations being remote come from? I would like to know more as I have been under the impression that I have to move all my life (again) for such a job since the remote options seem scarce.
I would add public institutions to the mix. Internships in regional / federal governments, or international organisations. They tend to have already good systems to run internships.
>>I would add public institutions to the mix. Internships in regional / federal governments, or international organisations. They tend to have already good systems to run internships.
Seems like a good idea! I’d particularly be keen to see interns placed with some animal-sympathetic politician for one of their placements, as that could build some pretty useful skills. Are there other potential placements here in the realm of public institutions that you see making sense?
>>I wonder, where does this hunch (or knowledge) about organisations being remote come from?
It’d be helpful for us to have data on this. When I did some quick GPT research here (link), particularly basing it off orgs recommended by ACE and additionally orgs whose openings are posted by Animal Advocacy Careers, it seems like about 75% of roles in the more EA side of the movement are now remote. Presumably you’re already looking at these openings though?
More ideas for internships and on-site experiences: Actually, working for a politician is one particular idea I hadn´t thought of! Internships in political parties with a strong animal rights department would be a good option too. A long shot, but maybe also universities, some young people might be thinking of whether academia and research is a good fit for them, and having a short period of time in a lab or following a researcher would be helpful. I will keep brainstorming.
Regarding remote jobs I might have been looking for narrow type of jobs that offer remote options but only within a country, or a metropolitan area. For instance: most EU-related jobs (I am a lawyer specialised in EU law) lead to Brussels´s metropolitan area.
What I have also observed is that the tag “remote” on job offers is not as remote as it seems regardless of the branch (sales, marketing, compliance, operations). For instance, today in Tälist I found this remote job but only for Austria and Bavaria, or this 100% remote job in Poland. In the AAC´s job board today, this remote job only within Italy, or this job that once you go to the actual job post is Hybrid and based in New York. Of course I understand it´s hard for organizations managing job boards to check every single job post and remove “remote” for the jobs that aren´t so remote as they seem, or they might not want to limit the job results by asking the users to choose their country or city.
On the Alt-Proteins world, which is the other career path I have been considering during 2024: Tälist´s report summarizes this on page 14. “b. REMOTE POLICIES The job board data reveals that nearly 27% of job postings are hybrid roles. Fully remote positions, however, represent only 4.5% of the total postings. In contrast, on-site roles dominate the landscape, making up approximately 69% of all job listings, indicating a strong preference among employers for in-person work environments.” From: Tälist’s Alt. Protein Career & Hiring Report , Data-Driven Insights on the Global Talent and Job Market (Oct. 2024) . This report can be received per email after logging in to Tälist. I don´t like that it´s not easy to share, but here it goes if anyone needs the data or the source: https://altprotein.jobs/career-hiring-report?s=gfi .
In the handful of coaching and 1-to-1 advice sessions I have had with Animal advocacy charities one of the first questions has always been: are you open to relocate? But this might be changing quickly, and that will make me VERY happy.
Going back to the original worry: I see how, on the one hand, an increase in remote jobs would support your fears or a fragmented movement. But maybe this brings about a larger, more diverse pool of talented advocates that attract people in their cities and countries, and more local hubs grow?
→ Edition: Do we have examples from other movements in the past that grew geographically disconnected through small communities and achieved their goals or managed to change the game? Any historian who can help :) ?
Additionally: what about offering this to jobless people, over 25, or people taking a career gap? As someone close to say bye to her 35th lap around the sun I start noticing ageism.
>>But maybe this brings about a larger, more diverse pool of talented advocates that attract people in their cities and countries, and more local hubs grow?
Some truth to this I’d say, but it’s just tradeoffs. Obviously the best thing is for there to be lots of fully remote roles, AND lots of in-person roles and, especially, in-person communities.
>>Do we have examples from other movements in the past that grew geographically disconnected through small communities and achieved their goals or managed to change the game?
This is why I’m skeptical of remotely driven movements haha. Because it seems to me like we don’t have many examples of this. The very modern age does provide some though—in particular, I’m thinking of Black Lives Matter and other more viral forms of activism in the US recently. However, I think a lot of these, including BLM, were more like a rapid upswell that quickly died off, without achieving many lasting results. And I expect a large part of this lack of results is because you really do need sustained, in-person community organizing in order to build lasting and cohesive public support that is able to change culture and institutions.
>>Additionally: what about offering this to jobless people, over 25, or people taking a career gap? As someone close to say bye to her 35th lap around the sun I start noticing ageism.
Could be a good idea. My intuition is still that the bigger gap here is engaged college students dropping out of the movement, as opposed to professionals who can’t find a job for whatever reason. But I could be wrong! And would love to see data one way or the other.
And as usual, of course it’d be good to have both programs: We should have programs more programs targeting students, and we should also have more programs engaging working professionals and people at basically every other life and career stage. We’re going to need a much bigger, more dynamic, and more comprehensive movement if we’re going to bring about the fundamental change we seek!
This is a fantastic idea!
I only feel that the fear about a lack of in-site organizations might not be realistic. If that was the case, most job offers would be remote and Animal Advocacy Careers’s reports have consistently covered that most jobs are not remote. The Good Food Institute reaches a similar conclusion, only this includes for-profit organisations. I wonder, where does this hunch (or knowledge) about organisations being remote come from? I would like to know more as I have been under the impression that I have to move all my life (again) for such a job since the remote options seem scarce.
I would add public institutions to the mix. Internships in regional / federal governments, or international organisations. They tend to have already good systems to run internships.
I hope I get to see this in real life!
Thanks for your input!
>>I would add public institutions to the mix. Internships in regional / federal governments, or international organisations. They tend to have already good systems to run internships.
Seems like a good idea! I’d particularly be keen to see interns placed with some animal-sympathetic politician for one of their placements, as that could build some pretty useful skills. Are there other potential placements here in the realm of public institutions that you see making sense?
>>I wonder, where does this hunch (or knowledge) about organisations being remote come from?
It’d be helpful for us to have data on this. When I did some quick GPT research here (link), particularly basing it off orgs recommended by ACE and additionally orgs whose openings are posted by Animal Advocacy Careers, it seems like about 75% of roles in the more EA side of the movement are now remote. Presumably you’re already looking at these openings though?
Hey Haven! Oh so much to discuss, I love it!
More ideas for internships and on-site experiences:
Actually, working for a politician is one particular idea I hadn´t thought of! Internships in political parties with a strong animal rights department would be a good option too.
A long shot, but maybe also universities, some young people might be thinking of whether academia and research is a good fit for them, and having a short period of time in a lab or following a researcher would be helpful. I will keep brainstorming.
Regarding remote jobs
I might have been looking for narrow type of jobs that offer remote options but only within a country, or a metropolitan area. For instance: most EU-related jobs (I am a lawyer specialised in EU law) lead to Brussels´s metropolitan area.
What I have also observed is that the tag “remote” on job offers is not as remote as it seems regardless of the branch (sales, marketing, compliance, operations). For instance, today in Tälist I found this remote job but only for Austria and Bavaria, or this 100% remote job in Poland. In the AAC´s job board today, this remote job only within Italy, or this job that once you go to the actual job post is Hybrid and based in New York. Of course I understand it´s hard for organizations managing job boards to check every single job post and remove “remote” for the jobs that aren´t so remote as they seem, or they might not want to limit the job results by asking the users to choose their country or city.
On the Alt-Proteins world, which is the other career path I have been considering during 2024: Tälist´s report summarizes this on page 14. “b. REMOTE POLICIES The job board data reveals that nearly 27% of job postings are hybrid roles. Fully remote positions, however, represent only 4.5% of the total postings. In contrast, on-site roles dominate the landscape, making up approximately 69% of all job listings, indicating a strong preference among employers for in-person work environments.” From: Tälist’s Alt. Protein Career & Hiring Report , Data-Driven Insights on the Global Talent and Job Market (Oct. 2024) . This report can be received per email after logging in to Tälist. I don´t like that it´s not easy to share, but here it goes if anyone needs the data or the source: https://altprotein.jobs/career-hiring-report?s=gfi .
In the handful of coaching and 1-to-1 advice sessions I have had with Animal advocacy charities one of the first questions has always been: are you open to relocate? But this might be changing quickly, and that will make me VERY happy.
Going back to the original worry:
I see how, on the one hand, an increase in remote jobs would support your fears or a fragmented movement. But maybe this brings about a larger, more diverse pool of talented advocates that attract people in their cities and countries, and more local hubs grow?
→ Edition: Do we have examples from other movements in the past that grew geographically disconnected through small communities and achieved their goals or managed to change the game? Any historian who can help :) ?
Additionally: what about offering this to jobless people, over 25, or people taking a career gap? As someone close to say bye to her 35th lap around the sun I start noticing ageism.
All makes sense!
>>But maybe this brings about a larger, more diverse pool of talented advocates that attract people in their cities and countries, and more local hubs grow?
Some truth to this I’d say, but it’s just tradeoffs. Obviously the best thing is for there to be lots of fully remote roles, AND lots of in-person roles and, especially, in-person communities.
>>Do we have examples from other movements in the past that grew geographically disconnected through small communities and achieved their goals or managed to change the game?
This is why I’m skeptical of remotely driven movements haha. Because it seems to me like we don’t have many examples of this. The very modern age does provide some though—in particular, I’m thinking of Black Lives Matter and other more viral forms of activism in the US recently. However, I think a lot of these, including BLM, were more like a rapid upswell that quickly died off, without achieving many lasting results. And I expect a large part of this lack of results is because you really do need sustained, in-person community organizing in order to build lasting and cohesive public support that is able to change culture and institutions.
>>Additionally: what about offering this to jobless people, over 25, or people taking a career gap? As someone close to say bye to her 35th lap around the sun I start noticing ageism.
Could be a good idea. My intuition is still that the bigger gap here is engaged college students dropping out of the movement, as opposed to professionals who can’t find a job for whatever reason. But I could be wrong! And would love to see data one way or the other.
And as usual, of course it’d be good to have both programs: We should have programs more programs targeting students, and we should also have more programs engaging working professionals and people at basically every other life and career stage. We’re going to need a much bigger, more dynamic, and more comprehensive movement if we’re going to bring about the fundamental change we seek!