As another MVP idea, what would you think about monthly âwhoâs hiringâ and âwho wants to be hiredâ forum threads, like they do on Hacker News?
Iâve heard mixed feelings about the HN version, and am curious to hear your perspective on copying it on this forum.
Hmm .. who is hiring is dynamically updated via 80k (opportunities for a specific audience), Impact CoLabs, the Job listing (open) tag, Fellowships and internships tag, EA Internships board, Animal Advocacy Careers, EA Work club, some posts that look for collaborators or contract work (maybe Requests (open) and Bounty (open) tags). Additional lists of organizations (that have openings on their websites) are on AI Safety Support, the EA-related organizations list, and probably elsewhere. Sometimes, people post projects that they would like to see (Take action tag?). Some EA Funding opportunities are interested in specific ventures. It could be worth to aggregate the opportunities. One way can be copying and pasting or writing a bot to copy-paste and then just edit. Categorization could also be useful for filtering. (The filtering can be also be collated, for example deadline is on AAC but not on 80k or Internships board. I am wondering about what filters can be even more informative.) This could be available in real time but also sent periodically.
Who wants to be hired can be also resolved in real time, by some type of a tag, or maybe a checkbox on the spreadsheet. I would argue for adding it where there is a lot of information about the person and many people look, so the EA Forum, maybe LessWrong, AI Alignment Forum, and possibly EA events profiles (there is less written information but the person is there). A hiring/âcontract timeline could also be useful (e. g. if someone is looking for an internship or has a contract that expires in 3 months and is not looking to renew it). Recruiters would probably check this when they need to hire but getting regular notifications can be valuable to people who are employed and have ideas (and ideally funding) and are looking for someone with specific skills to do something that they do not have the time for.
1. Who is hiring: 80k are already running a job board which also sends updates by email. Are you considering improving their job boardâin your MVPâwhich is supposed to also do other things except for being a job board? (I wouldnât)
2.
hiring/âcontract timeline could also be useful
This sounds to me like solving a pain point that might not exist (no?)
I mean, maybe worst case a candidate gets contacted, says theyâre not looking anymore, and then their checkbox is updated (?)
3.
getting regular notifications [about candidates?]
Again, seems like the MVP is having this information available at allâbefore adding features (that solve a problem we are not sure exists) like notifications
no?
I could even imagine notifications having negative value for some busy people like you described
1. I think that the 80k board can be best improved by a greater variety of opportunities, not only those related to EA-labeled organizations and governance in large economies but also opportunities that develop win-win solutions useful to the decisionmakers, understand fundamentals of wellbeing, share already developed solutions with networks where top-down decisionmaking possibilities are limited, motivate positive norms within institutions that can have large positive or negative impact (such as developing nationsâ governments), possibly develop comparative advantage in positive-externality sectors (such as crop processing vs. industrial animal farming), increase private sector efficiencies in a way that benefits large numbers of individuals (e. g. agricultural machinery leasing to smallholders, traffic coordination in cities, medical supplies distribution that considers bottlenecks, etc), implement solutions or conduct research for local prices, introduce impactful additions to existing programs (e. g. hypothetically central micronutrient fortification of food aid), offer shorter personal projects contracts, understand intended beneficiary actual preferences, etc.
This increased variety of opportunities can be conditional to a Common App bringing value by increasing the efficiency of hiring for a specific set of opportunities. Some of these additional opportunities are on the EA Forum or in the minds of community members. Since 80k could appear informal if it included these opportunities, it may be best to list them on a spreadsheet or/âand refer individuals to others with ideas/âlet others find collaborators or contractors.
Integration of EA funding opportunities, including less formal more counterfactual funding (one would not donate to bednets but they would give a stipend to a fellow group member to learn over the summer and produce a practice project), can be key. Risk should be considered with this approach, for example, funding should not be given to projects that relate to info hazards or could make decisionmakers enthusiastic about risky topics. This should be specified and checked in a risk-averse way by some responsible people (who also have time), such as group organizers.
One way that existing 80k resources could be added to is using the career planning resource where people write answers and then based on these answers some career considerations are recommended. Just enabling people to (edit and) post their answers online can be valuable. The added value is that others can hire them or make recommendations based on their interests. I would still add more questions, because they can paint a more comprehensive picture of the candidate without the need to interview or interact with them or ask for a reference.
I think that getting project ideas even from a well-written post of an engaged community member onto the 80k board can be a challenge due to the scope of opportunities that are considered.
2. I mean before they start needing a job, not after they get one. For example, if someone is looking in March for a 3-month internship starting June 1, they should not be getting offers that extend before June 1 or after September 1. Of course, if someone is hired they (or anyone) should update that otherwise others will be wasting time reviewing their application.
3. Yes, maybe there should be a balance between distracting busy professionals and enabling them to save time by hiring others. Ideally the community would pre-filter the applications. Bias in this process can be limited by asking people to make recommendations in a non-preferential way and include their reasoning for recommending a particular opportunity. While there should be an option to get a list of applicants filtered by some criteria specified by the professional sent periodically, a greater value can be from reviewing othersâ reasoning why candidates can be a great fit for a role that one posts (and providing feedback on the reasoning).
Hey Yonatan!
As another MVP idea, what would you think about monthly âwhoâs hiringâ and âwho wants to be hiredâ forum threads, like they do on Hacker News?
Iâve heard mixed feelings about the HN version, and am curious to hear your perspective on copying it on this forum.
I think the MVP-MVP would be doing this once (before we try to do it monthly)
wdyt?
Sent a message to Lizka, letâs see!
Hmm .. who is hiring is dynamically updated via 80k (opportunities for a specific audience), Impact CoLabs, the Job listing (open) tag, Fellowships and internships tag, EA Internships board, Animal Advocacy Careers, EA Work club, some posts that look for collaborators or contract work (maybe Requests (open) and Bounty (open) tags). Additional lists of organizations (that have openings on their websites) are on AI Safety Support, the EA-related organizations list, and probably elsewhere. Sometimes, people post projects that they would like to see (Take action tag?). Some EA Funding opportunities are interested in specific ventures. It could be worth to aggregate the opportunities. One way can be copying and pasting or writing a bot to copy-paste and then just edit. Categorization could also be useful for filtering. (The filtering can be also be collated, for example deadline is on AAC but not on 80k or Internships board. I am wondering about what filters can be even more informative.) This could be available in real time but also sent periodically.
Who wants to be hired can be also resolved in real time, by some type of a tag, or maybe a checkbox on the spreadsheet. I would argue for adding it where there is a lot of information about the person and many people look, so the EA Forum, maybe LessWrong, AI Alignment Forum, and possibly EA events profiles (there is less written information but the person is there). A hiring/âcontract timeline could also be useful (e. g. if someone is looking for an internship or has a contract that expires in 3 months and is not looking to renew it). Recruiters would probably check this when they need to hire but getting regular notifications can be valuable to people who are employed and have ideas (and ideally funding) and are looking for someone with specific skills to do something that they do not have the time for.
1. Who is hiring: 80k are already running a job board which also sends updates by email. Are you considering improving their job boardâin your MVPâwhich is supposed to also do other things except for being a job board? (I wouldnât)
2.
This sounds to me like solving a pain point that might not exist (no?)
I mean, maybe worst case a candidate gets contacted, says theyâre not looking anymore, and then their checkbox is updated (?)
3.
Again, seems like the MVP is having this information available at allâbefore adding features (that solve a problem we are not sure exists) like notifications
no?
I could even imagine notifications having negative value for some busy people like you described
1. I think that the 80k board can be best improved by a greater variety of opportunities, not only those related to EA-labeled organizations and governance in large economies but also opportunities that develop win-win solutions useful to the decisionmakers, understand fundamentals of wellbeing, share already developed solutions with networks where top-down decisionmaking possibilities are limited, motivate positive norms within institutions that can have large positive or negative impact (such as developing nationsâ governments), possibly develop comparative advantage in positive-externality sectors (such as crop processing vs. industrial animal farming), increase private sector efficiencies in a way that benefits large numbers of individuals (e. g. agricultural machinery leasing to smallholders, traffic coordination in cities, medical supplies distribution that considers bottlenecks, etc), implement solutions or conduct research for local prices, introduce impactful additions to existing programs (e. g. hypothetically central micronutrient fortification of food aid), offer shorter personal projects contracts, understand intended beneficiary actual preferences, etc.
This increased variety of opportunities can be conditional to a Common App bringing value by increasing the efficiency of hiring for a specific set of opportunities. Some of these additional opportunities are on the EA Forum or in the minds of community members. Since 80k could appear informal if it included these opportunities, it may be best to list them on a spreadsheet or/âand refer individuals to others with ideas/âlet others find collaborators or contractors.
Integration of EA funding opportunities, including less formal more counterfactual funding (one would not donate to bednets but they would give a stipend to a fellow group member to learn over the summer and produce a practice project), can be key. Risk should be considered with this approach, for example, funding should not be given to projects that relate to info hazards or could make decisionmakers enthusiastic about risky topics. This should be specified and checked in a risk-averse way by some responsible people (who also have time), such as group organizers.
One way that existing 80k resources could be added to is using the career planning resource where people write answers and then based on these answers some career considerations are recommended. Just enabling people to (edit and) post their answers online can be valuable. The added value is that others can hire them or make recommendations based on their interests. I would still add more questions, because they can paint a more comprehensive picture of the candidate without the need to interview or interact with them or ask for a reference.
I think that getting project ideas even from a well-written post of an engaged community member onto the 80k board can be a challenge due to the scope of opportunities that are considered.
2. I mean before they start needing a job, not after they get one. For example, if someone is looking in March for a 3-month internship starting June 1, they should not be getting offers that extend before June 1 or after September 1. Of course, if someone is hired they (or anyone) should update that otherwise others will be wasting time reviewing their application.
3. Yes, maybe there should be a balance between distracting busy professionals and enabling them to save time by hiring others. Ideally the community would pre-filter the applications. Bias in this process can be limited by asking people to make recommendations in a non-preferential way and include their reasoning for recommending a particular opportunity. While there should be an option to get a list of applicants filtered by some criteria specified by the professional sent periodically, a greater value can be from reviewing othersâ reasoning why candidates can be a great fit for a role that one posts (and providing feedback on the reasoning).