Hi Emre, thanks for remembering, waiting, and your details comments! :D
Yes I link to that study and basically agree, more evidence would be great.
I don’t think I do, but I could have acknowledged that a little better in the writing, say by pointing to movement building getting 5-14% of funds based this table. But also...
In terms of the 8 examples you give, only 3 are still considered standout: I pointed out here that “charities like NHRP or ProVeg which were previously considered are now ignored”, and SVB, Vegetarians Hoy, Vegan Outreach are not considered to be standout charities. I think your examples point more to funding for neglected/LMICs (great!) but not to an openness to different approaches: for example, the reasoning for the one-time funding of Veganuary was specifically given for Latin-American staff costs.
I did not know about/come across Transfarmation, so thanks for that, and I’d be curious to hear about which documentaries and how much they cost.
Agree with direction, though not assessment of current status quo. I think there’s more to the current major strands in EAA than just “these are neglected”: in posts 3 & 4 I tried to give examples of how other are thought to be ineffective. Also, there might be “many other groups” working on the suggested interventions, but it’s not clear any are doing it with an effectiveness mindset, which would be a valuable contribution.
“I know of no industry that has ever disappeared because someone tried to attract its workers with more lucrative careers.” It’s not just money, but stress/wellbeing and changing social & market pressures.
”Subsidizing farmers’ transitions to plant-based farming seems similar to paying people to avoid animal products, and I think both approaches would be prohibitively expensive.” I strongly disagree with this given what I said above, and the fact they could transition to profitable businesses. I don’t think the charities currently helping with this are getting a huge amount of money, but could be averting quite a lot of lives. All this being said, it shouldn’t be too difficult to settle this intuition joust with a cost-effectiveness analysis, which I think we both agree on.
”I wish that people who tried this intervention would collect contact information from the people they reached out to. “ I wish that people with an effectiveness mindset helped people running such interventions to do such things ;-)
Hi Emre, thanks for remembering, waiting, and your details comments! :D
Yes I link to that study and basically agree, more evidence would be great.
I don’t think I do, but I could have acknowledged that a little better in the writing, say by pointing to movement building getting 5-14% of funds based this table. But also...
In terms of the 8 examples you give, only 3 are still considered standout: I pointed out here that “charities like NHRP or ProVeg which were previously considered are now ignored”, and SVB, Vegetarians Hoy, Vegan Outreach are not considered to be standout charities. I think your examples point more to funding for neglected/LMICs (great!) but not to an openness to different approaches: for example, the reasoning for the one-time funding of Veganuary was specifically given for Latin-American staff costs.
I did not know about/come across Transfarmation, so thanks for that, and I’d be curious to hear about which documentaries and how much they cost.
Agree with direction, though not assessment of current status quo. I think there’s more to the current major strands in EAA than just “these are neglected”: in posts 3 & 4 I tried to give examples of how other are thought to be ineffective. Also, there might be “many other groups” working on the suggested interventions, but it’s not clear any are doing it with an effectiveness mindset, which would be a valuable contribution.
“I know of no industry that has ever disappeared because someone tried to attract its workers with more lucrative careers.”
It’s not just money, but stress/wellbeing and changing social & market pressures.
”Subsidizing farmers’ transitions to plant-based farming seems similar to paying people to avoid animal products, and I think both approaches would be prohibitively expensive.”
I strongly disagree with this given what I said above, and the fact they could transition to profitable businesses. I don’t think the charities currently helping with this are getting a huge amount of money, but could be averting quite a lot of lives. All this being said, it shouldn’t be too difficult to settle this intuition joust with a cost-effectiveness analysis, which I think we both agree on.
”I wish that people who tried this intervention would collect contact information from the people they reached out to. “
I wish that people with an effectiveness mindset helped people running such interventions to do such things ;-)
Hi again! Thank you very much for your response. You can check out this website for documentaries.