Edit: The original author has deactivated their account so have removed their username from the below. From my pov, the fact that they felt the need to do so is a signal that initiatives like Athena are valuable and worth supporting.
EA Forum, we need to talk. Why does this comment (at time of writing) have a negative vote score?[1] We have separate downvote and disagreevotes for a reason.
Nothing they says in this comment is against Forum Norms. They state very clearly that these are their own thoughts from anecdotes. They’re sharing their perspective on why the relative strong scrutiny in this thread might be off-putting for the very people Athena is meant to target.
From someone who naturally sits more on the ‘contextualising’ side of the Decoupling v Contextualising framework, it’s pretty clear why the response would make some people less keen on proposing or attending programs like this.
I think there’s a broader debate about EAs relationship to ideas of gender diversity and social justice, as well as points of disagreement and agreement on both empirical and philosophy axes. I just don’t think that the right place for such a discussion is the comments here.
I can say why I downvoted it—the commenter argued that presenting good arguments and evidence, and asking for results is bad because they don’t like the vibe and find those things upsetting.
Edit: The original author has deactivated their account so have removed their username from the below. From my pov, the fact that they felt the need to do so is a signal that initiatives like Athena are valuable and worth supporting.
EA Forum, we need to talk. Why does this comment (at time of writing) have a negative vote score?[1] We have separate downvote and disagreevotes for a reason.
Nothing they says in this comment is against Forum Norms. They state very clearly that these are their own thoughts from anecdotes. They’re sharing their perspective on why the relative strong scrutiny in this thread might be off-putting for the very people Athena is meant to target.
From someone who naturally sits more on the ‘contextualising’ side of the Decoupling v Contextualising framework, it’s pretty clear why the response would make some people less keen on proposing or attending programs like this.
I think there’s a broader debate about EAs relationship to ideas of gender diversity and social justice, as well as points of disagreement and agreement on both empirical and philosophy axes. I just don’t think that the right place for such a discussion is the comments here.
-10 when I initial started this comment, −3 when I posted
I can say why I downvoted it—the commenter argued that presenting good arguments and evidence, and asking for results is bad because they don’t like the vibe and find those things upsetting.