maybe not everyone deserves the assumption of good faith? I feel like this forum perhaps just got a reminder about the value of not always thinking the best of people, but no, everyone just wants to forget all over again maybe
This is a warning, please do better in the future; continued violation of Forum norms may result in a temporary ban.
I want to be clear that this warning is in response to the tone and approach of the comments, not the stances taken by the commenter. We believe it’s really important to be able to discuss all perspectives on the situation with an open mind and without censoring any perspectives. We would like Sabs to continue contributing to these discussions in a respectful way.
I don’t see how the third comment is objectionably ‘harsh’? It is a straightforward description of how many conventional financial firms operate, relevant to the topic at hand, combined with (accurately) calling the parent comment nonsense. Is the objection that it contains a swear word? If that is the rule it should probably be made explicit. (Also, ‘harsh’ does not appear in Guide To Norms, with good reason, as the truth can be harsh!)
I don’t think everyone deserves the assumption of good faith at all times, but you haven’t given enough reason to believe Geoffrey Miller doesn’t, and I’m pretty sure you can’t. If you’re going to make accusations, you should have good reasons to do so and explain them. Merely contradicting something someone said is not nearly enough; people can be wrong without being disingenuous. Accusations make productive conversation more difficult, can be hurtful, can push people away from the community and may have other risks, so we shouldn’t have a low bar for making them.
You also don’t even have to privately assume the best of someone or good faith; just keep conversations civil and charitable, and don’t make unsubstantiated accusations. If you want to argue that we should be more skeptical of people’s motives, that’s plausible and that can be a valuable discussion, but shouldn’t be started by attacking another user without good reason.
With FTX, there were important red flags, including the ones you pointed out.
maybe not everyone deserves the assumption of good faith? I feel like this forum perhaps just got a reminder about the value of not always thinking the best of people, but no, everyone just wants to forget all over again maybe
The moderation team has noticed a trend of comments from Sabs that break Forum norms. Specifically, instances of rude, hostile, or harsh language are strongly discouraged (and may be deleted) and do not adhere to our norm of keeping a generous and collaborative mindset.
This is a warning, please do better in the future; continued violation of Forum norms may result in a temporary ban.
I want to be clear that this warning is in response to the tone and approach of the comments, not the stances taken by the commenter. We believe it’s really important to be able to discuss all perspectives on the situation with an open mind and without censoring any perspectives. We would like Sabs to continue contributing to these discussions in a respectful way.
I don’t see how the third comment is objectionably ‘harsh’? It is a straightforward description of how many conventional financial firms operate, relevant to the topic at hand, combined with (accurately) calling the parent comment nonsense. Is the objection that it contains a swear word? If that is the rule it should probably be made explicit. (Also, ‘harsh’ does not appear in Guide To Norms, with good reason, as the truth can be harsh!)
I don’t think everyone deserves the assumption of good faith at all times, but you haven’t given enough reason to believe Geoffrey Miller doesn’t, and I’m pretty sure you can’t. If you’re going to make accusations, you should have good reasons to do so and explain them. Merely contradicting something someone said is not nearly enough; people can be wrong without being disingenuous. Accusations make productive conversation more difficult, can be hurtful, can push people away from the community and may have other risks, so we shouldn’t have a low bar for making them.
You also don’t even have to privately assume the best of someone or good faith; just keep conversations civil and charitable, and don’t make unsubstantiated accusations. If you want to argue that we should be more skeptical of people’s motives, that’s plausible and that can be a valuable discussion, but shouldn’t be started by attacking another user without good reason.
With FTX, there were important red flags, including the ones you pointed out.