I like both perspectives you linked, but I think Rob is preventing a false binary between being virtuous / following deontological rule and optimising for optics. I think optics should be factored into EV calculations, but we should definitelynot be optimising for optics.
I think my ideal approach to EA’s reputation would be—encourage EAs to follow the law, to reject physical violence, to be virtuous and rule following, and then to also factor in optics as one factor in EV calculations for decision making.
Hm. I think I mostly don’t think people are good at doing that kind of reasoning. Generally when I see it in the wild, it seems very naive.
I’d like to know if you, factoring in optics into your EV calcs, see any optics mistakes EA is currently making which haven’t already blown up, and that (say) Rob Bensinger probably can’t given he’s not directly factoring in optics to his EV calcs.
I like both perspectives you linked, but I think Rob is preventing a false binary between being virtuous / following deontological rule and optimising for optics. I think optics should be factored into EV calculations, but we should definitely not be optimising for optics.
I think my ideal approach to EA’s reputation would be—encourage EAs to follow the law, to reject physical violence, to be virtuous and rule following, and then to also factor in optics as one factor in EV calculations for decision making.
Hm. I think I mostly don’t think people are good at doing that kind of reasoning. Generally when I see it in the wild, it seems very naive.
I’d like to know if you, factoring in optics into your EV calcs, see any optics mistakes EA is currently making which haven’t already blown up, and that (say) Rob Bensinger probably can’t given he’s not directly factoring in optics to his EV calcs.