we don’t conceptualize the board as endorsing organisations.
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contribute to solving our top problems or build career capital to do so
It seems like EAs expect the 80k job board to suggest high impact roles, and this has been a misunderstanding for a long time (consider looking at that post if you haven’t). The disclaimers were always there, but EAs (including myself) still regularly looked at the 80k job board as a concrete path to impact.
I don’t have time for a long comment, just wanted to say I think this matters.
I don’t read those two quotes as in tension? The job board isn’t endorsing organizations, it’s endorsing roles. An organization can be highly net harmful while the right person joining to work on the right thing can be highly positive.
I also think “endorsement” is a bit too strong: the bar for listing a job shouldn’t be “anyone reading this who takes this job will have significant positive impact” but instead more like “under some combinations of values and world models that the job board runners think are plausible, this job is plausibly one of the highest impact opportunities for the right person”.
My own intuition on what to do with this situation—is to stop trying to change your reputation using disclaimers.
There’s a lot of value in having a job board with high impact job recommendations. One of the challenging parts is getting a critical mass of people looking at your job board, and you already have that.
What are the relevant disclaimers here? Conor is saying 80l does think that alignment roles at OpenAI are impactful. Your article mentions the career development tag, but the roles under discussion don’t have that tag right?
If Conor thinks these roles are impactful then I’m happy we agree on listing impactful roles. (The discussion on whether alignment roles are impactful is separate from what I was trying to say in my comment)
If the career development tag is used (and is clear to typical people using the job board) then—again—seems good to me.
Hey Conor!
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It seems like EAs expect the 80k job board to suggest high impact roles, and this has been a misunderstanding for a long time (consider looking at that post if you haven’t). The disclaimers were always there, but EAs (including myself) still regularly looked at the 80k job board as a concrete path to impact.
I don’t have time for a long comment, just wanted to say I think this matters.
I don’t read those two quotes as in tension? The job board isn’t endorsing organizations, it’s endorsing roles. An organization can be highly net harmful while the right person joining to work on the right thing can be highly positive.
I also think “endorsement” is a bit too strong: the bar for listing a job shouldn’t be “anyone reading this who takes this job will have significant positive impact” but instead more like “under some combinations of values and world models that the job board runners think are plausible, this job is plausibly one of the highest impact opportunities for the right person”.
My own intuition on what to do with this situation—is to stop trying to change your reputation using disclaimers.
There’s a lot of value in having a job board with high impact job recommendations. One of the challenging parts is getting a critical mass of people looking at your job board, and you already have that.
What are the relevant disclaimers here? Conor is saying 80l does think that alignment roles at OpenAI are impactful. Your article mentions the career development tag, but the roles under discussion don’t have that tag right?
If Conor thinks these roles are impactful then I’m happy we agree on listing impactful roles. (The discussion on whether alignment roles are impactful is separate from what I was trying to say in my comment)
If the career development tag is used (and is clear to typical people using the job board) then—again—seems good to me.
I’m still confused about what the misunderstanding is