The main issue with the mechanism seems to be collusion between donors. As Aaron mentioned, MIRI took part in such a fundraiser. I claim that it was so successful for them precisely because MIRI supporters were able to coordinate well relative to the supporters of the other charities—there were a bunch of posts about how supporting this fundraiser was effectively a 50x donation multiplier or something like that.
MIRI helped us know how much to donate and how much of a multiplier it would be, and updated this recommendation as other donors made their moves. I added something like $80 at one point because a MIRI person told me it would have a really cool multiplier, but not if I donated a lot more or a lot less.
Sorry, I meant “collusion” in the sense that it is used in the game theory literature, where it’s basically equivalent to “coordination in a way not modeled by the game theory”, and doesn’t carry the illegal/deceitful connotation it does in English. See e.g. here, which is explicitly talking about this problem for Glen Weyl’s proposal.
The overall point is, if donors can coordinate, as they obviously can in the real world, then the optimal provisioning of goods theorem no longer holds. The example with MIRI showcased this effect. I’m not saying that anyone did anything wrong in that example.
The overall point is, if donors can coordinate, as they obviously can in the real world, then the optimal provisioning of goods theorem no longer holds.
I don’t find this to be obvious. In my understanding, coordination/collusion can be limited by keeping donations anonymous. (See the first two paragraphs on page 16 in the paper for an example.)
In my understanding, coordination/collusion can be limited by keeping donations anonymous.
It’s not hard for an individual to prove that they donated by other means, e.g. screenshots and bank statements.
(See the first two paragraphs on page 16 in the paper for an example.)
Right after that, the authors say:
There is a broader point here. If perfect harmonization of interests is possible, Capitalism leads to optimal outcomes. LR is intended to overcome such lack of harmonization and falls prey to manipulation when it wrongly assumes harmonization is difficult
With donations it is particularly easy to harmonize interests: if I’m planning to allocate 2 votes to MIRI and you’re planning to allocate 2 votes to AMF, we can instead have each of us allocate 1 vote each to MIRI and AMF and we both benefit. Yes, we have to build trust that neither of us would defect by actually putting both of our votes to our preferred charity; but this seems doable in practice: even in the hardest case of vote trading (where there are laws attempting to enforce anonymity and inability to prove your vote) there seems to have been some success.
The main issue with the mechanism seems to be collusion between donors. As Aaron mentioned, MIRI took part in such a fundraiser. I claim that it was so successful for them precisely because MIRI supporters were able to coordinate well relative to the supporters of the other charities—there were a bunch of posts about how supporting this fundraiser was effectively a 50x donation multiplier or something like that.
Are you saying that this was an example of collusion?
Yes.
I’m not sure if I see how this is collusion. Would you mind elaborating?
MIRI helped us know how much to donate and how much of a multiplier it would be, and updated this recommendation as other donors made their moves. I added something like $80 at one point because a MIRI person told me it would have a really cool multiplier, but not if I donated a lot more or a lot less.
This does not sound like collusion, at least according to the Merriam-Webster definition:
To me, it seems more like promotion.
Sorry, I meant “collusion” in the sense that it is used in the game theory literature, where it’s basically equivalent to “coordination in a way not modeled by the game theory”, and doesn’t carry the illegal/deceitful connotation it does in English. See e.g. here, which is explicitly talking about this problem for Glen Weyl’s proposal.
The overall point is, if donors can coordinate, as they obviously can in the real world, then the optimal provisioning of goods theorem no longer holds. The example with MIRI showcased this effect. I’m not saying that anyone did anything wrong in that example.
I don’t find this to be obvious. In my understanding, coordination/collusion can be limited by keeping donations anonymous. (See the first two paragraphs on page 16 in the paper for an example.)
It’s not hard for an individual to prove that they donated by other means, e.g. screenshots and bank statements.
Right after that, the authors say:
With donations it is particularly easy to harmonize interests: if I’m planning to allocate 2 votes to MIRI and you’re planning to allocate 2 votes to AMF, we can instead have each of us allocate 1 vote each to MIRI and AMF and we both benefit. Yes, we have to build trust that neither of us would defect by actually putting both of our votes to our preferred charity; but this seems doable in practice: even in the hardest case of vote trading (where there are laws attempting to enforce anonymity and inability to prove your vote) there seems to have been some success.
Ah yes, agree. I meant coordination, not collusion. Promotion also seems fine.