They do “sound good” because they’re paying attention to “data”, but personally I wouldn’t feel comfortable supporting them unless you had a very good reason to think that the criticism is not legitimate.
The main substantive objection seems to be that it’s not demanding enough, especially compared to, for example, defunding all police departments. There’s also lots of ‘this state had some of these policies and still killed someone’ type objections. I don’t know enough about social science to be able to predict the effect of different people making demands of different strength. It’s a little sad to see Sam Sinyangwe be called an apologist/shill for the police though, when regardless of what your prediction of the impact is he’s pretty clearly someone who has dedicated his career to reducing rates of police violence.
Yes, I think that’s a much better criticism—Campaign Zero works within the current policing framework, and we could potentially do better by rethinking public safety at a more fundamental level.
Campaign Zero is getting a *lot* of criticism, e.g. https://twitter.com/PowerDignity/status/1268735286646726656
They do “sound good” because they’re paying attention to “data”, but personally I wouldn’t feel comfortable supporting them unless you had a very good reason to think that the criticism is not legitimate.
The tweet you linked to says that these 8 principles are already being used across the country and haven’t worked.
AFAIK that isn’t true—they aren’t being used uniformly.
Other than that, the tweet doesn’t have specific criticism—it just says the principles “won’t work”. Have you seen anything more specific?
The main substantive objection seems to be that it’s not demanding enough, especially compared to, for example, defunding all police departments. There’s also lots of ‘this state had some of these policies and still killed someone’ type objections. I don’t know enough about social science to be able to predict the effect of different people making demands of different strength. It’s a little sad to see Sam Sinyangwe be called an apologist/shill for the police though, when regardless of what your prediction of the impact is he’s pretty clearly someone who has dedicated his career to reducing rates of police violence.
Edit: there’s a reply from @SamSwey here, followed by a ton of personal attacks on him and what looks like one legitimate question about methodology. https://twitter.com/samswey/status/1269298269055856641
Yes, I think that’s a much better criticism—Campaign Zero works within the current policing framework, and we could potentially do better by rethinking public safety at a more fundamental level.