I am commenting to encourage everyone to think about the real people at the centre of all of the very ugly accusations being made, which I hope is acceptable to do, even though this comment does not directly address the evidence presented by either Lightcone or Nonlinear.
This is getting a lot of engagement, as did Ben Pace’s previous post, and for the people being discussed, this must be incredibly stressful. No matter how you think events actually played out, the following are true:
a) at least one group of people is having unfair accusations made against them, either of creating abusive working conditions and taking advantage of the naivety of young professionals, or of being delusional and unreliable or malicious. Neither of these are easy to deal with.
b) the situation is ongoing, and there is no clear timeline for when things will be neatly wrapped up and concluded.
Given this, and having read several comments speaking to the overwhelming experience of being dogpiled on the internet, I just want to encourage everyone who is friendly with any of the people at the centre of this, including Alice, Chloe, Kat Woods, Emerson and Drew Spartz, Ben Pace, and Habryka to reach out and make sure they are coping well. The goal here is hopefully to get to the truth and to update community norms, and it is far too easy for individuals to become casualties of this process. A simple ‘how ya doing?’ can make a big difference when people are struggling.
I’ve pretty much stayed away from this thread (my family has already exceeded my ability to cope with drama this month/year), but I’d also encourage people to consider that the affected persons have already had to deal with 476 comments when deciding whether authoring comment 477 is worth it.
If you’re in a disagreement with someone, it can be OK to say: “I respectfully disagree with that, but this topic has already taken so much time and caused so much angst that I am going to let you have the last word on this one and move on.” At this point in the discussion, I don’t think anyone should read any negative inferences into a decision to exercise good self-care and step back from further discussion.
I am commenting to encourage everyone to think about the real people at the centre of all of the very ugly accusations being made, which I hope is acceptable to do, even though this comment does not directly address the evidence presented by either Lightcone or Nonlinear.
This is getting a lot of engagement, as did Ben Pace’s previous post, and for the people being discussed, this must be incredibly stressful. No matter how you think events actually played out, the following are true:
a) at least one group of people is having unfair accusations made against them, either of creating abusive working conditions and taking advantage of the naivety of young professionals, or of being delusional and unreliable or malicious. Neither of these are easy to deal with.
b) the situation is ongoing, and there is no clear timeline for when things will be neatly wrapped up and concluded.
Given this, and having read several comments speaking to the overwhelming experience of being dogpiled on the internet, I just want to encourage everyone who is friendly with any of the people at the centre of this, including Alice, Chloe, Kat Woods, Emerson and Drew Spartz, Ben Pace, and Habryka to reach out and make sure they are coping well. The goal here is hopefully to get to the truth and to update community norms, and it is far too easy for individuals to become casualties of this process. A simple ‘how ya doing?’ can make a big difference when people are struggling.
I’ve pretty much stayed away from this thread (my family has already exceeded my ability to cope with drama this month/year), but I’d also encourage people to consider that the affected persons have already had to deal with 476 comments when deciding whether authoring comment 477 is worth it.
If you’re in a disagreement with someone, it can be OK to say: “I respectfully disagree with that, but this topic has already taken so much time and caused so much angst that I am going to let you have the last word on this one and move on.” At this point in the discussion, I don’t think anyone should read any negative inferences into a decision to exercise good self-care and step back from further discussion.
Came here to write this, you’ve written it really well. Props.