I didnât vote on this either way, but I think the response was probably negative because:
People are wary of the effects of a general âassume the accuser is rightâ approach. Iâm completely on board with the approach in the pledge if a friend comes to me, but with community-level accusations this can turn into âwhoever says something first winsâ.
Skepticism over this kind of pledge as a mechanism for making things better.
I think there are different interpretations that people can take of what it implies. One reading is that the pledge specifies how the pledger responds in the moment, with the person in pain. Another reading would talk about how they reacted through the entire resulting community process. I parsed it as the former, but what youâre describing seems to be closer to the second.
Skepticism over this kind of pledge as a mechanism for making things better.
I am glad you posted this and it got so many agree votes.
It is concerning if people do not understand how this kind of pledge makes things better by:
1. Making people more likely to report incidents of harassment or abuse
2. Reinforcing that this community is a space that wants to be safe and welcoming to women.
This makes me feel like EAs may need much more sensitivity/âharassment/âdiscrimination/âetc. training than non-EAs do. And highlights the need for stricter workplace dating and sexual harassment policies in EA orgs.
I didnât vote on this either way, but I think the response was probably negative because:
People are wary of the effects of a general âassume the accuser is rightâ approach. Iâm completely on board with the approach in the pledge if a friend comes to me, but with community-level accusations this can turn into âwhoever says something first winsâ.
Skepticism over this kind of pledge as a mechanism for making things better.
I think there are different interpretations that people can take of what it implies. One reading is that the pledge specifies how the pledger responds in the moment, with the person in pain. Another reading would talk about how they reacted through the entire resulting community process. I parsed it as the former, but what youâre describing seems to be closer to the second.
I am glad you posted this and it got so many agree votes.
It is concerning if people do not understand how this kind of pledge makes things better by:
1. Making people more likely to report incidents of harassment or abuse
2. Reinforcing that this community is a space that wants to be safe and welcoming to women.
This makes me feel like EAs may need much more sensitivity/âharassment/âdiscrimination/âetc. training than non-EAs do. And highlights the need for stricter workplace dating and sexual harassment policies in EA orgs.