Thanks, Vasco. I had already acknowledged that the analogies were no longer helping, and then I fell into offering another one, so I concede that mistake. I do not think my underlying point is coming across, but I have laid it out as clearly as I can in our exchange. But just addressing your questions:
If one organism truly had affective experience and the other did not, the ceiling analysis would apply only to the former. For the latter, an affective ceiling would be inapplicable, not merely lower. If we could not tell which was which, the tool should reflect that uncertainty and proceed only conditionally.
(One clarification: this sentience gate belongs to our experimental Ψ approach, not to the core WFF).
Your final question captures the crux: if I regarded sentience as merely a matter of human convention, I would not retain it as a scientific gate. My position, as I mentioned before, is that whether anything feels good or bad is a real fact about the organism, even when we cannot determine it confidently.
I had already acknowledged that the analogies were no longer helping, and then I fell into offering another one, so I concede that mistake. I do not think my underlying point is coming across, but I have laid it out as clearly as I can in our exchange.
I personally found your analogy quite helpful. It gave me a chance to explain why I think many properties considered categorical are actually graded. In addition, I think trying to present properties which are categorical is important to illustrate sentience can be so too. The absence of any categorical properties would arguably be strong evidence against sentience being categorical.
Your final question captures the crux: if I regarded sentience as merely a matter of human convention, I would not retain it as a scientific gate.
Makes sense. I think sentience is a matter of human convention, which is why I would not use it as a scientific gate for the affective capacity analysis.
Thanks, Vasco. I had already acknowledged that the analogies were no longer helping, and then I fell into offering another one, so I concede that mistake. I do not think my underlying point is coming across, but I have laid it out as clearly as I can in our exchange. But just addressing your questions:
If one organism truly had affective experience and the other did not, the ceiling analysis would apply only to the former. For the latter, an affective ceiling would be inapplicable, not merely lower. If we could not tell which was which, the tool should reflect that uncertainty and proceed only conditionally.
(One clarification: this sentience gate belongs to our experimental Ψ approach, not to the core WFF).
Your final question captures the crux: if I regarded sentience as merely a matter of human convention, I would not retain it as a scientific gate. My position, as I mentioned before, is that whether anything feels good or bad is a real fact about the organism, even when we cannot determine it confidently.
I personally found your analogy quite helpful. It gave me a chance to explain why I think many properties considered categorical are actually graded. In addition, I think trying to present properties which are categorical is important to illustrate sentience can be so too. The absence of any categorical properties would arguably be strong evidence against sentience being categorical.
Makes sense. I think sentience is a matter of human convention, which is why I would not use it as a scientific gate for the affective capacity analysis.