Existential hope sounds like an opposite to existential despair, rather than to existential risk and could increase the already common confusion regarding that!! Of course, it’s only a private paper, but since it’s designed to establish terminologies, it’s something to think about.
When I first heard of Bostrom’s phrase “existential risk”, I felt it was overly philosophical because it sounded like a concept in existentialism. I agree with Owen+Toby’s paper that “extinction risk” is already adequate when talking about extinction.
Words are sticky, so it may be hard to ditch “existential risk”, but if we were doing it over again, I’d choose something else, like “astronomical risks” and “astronomical benefits”.
Thanks Ryan, I hadn’t actually spotted that issue with the term “existential hope”. I don’t think it’s necessarily enough to sink the term, but it’s worth being aware of.
English doesn’t have a work for the chance of a good thing, which makes it awkward to find the right term. Earlier drafts just stuck to “existential eucatastrophe”, which has the right meaning. However it was pointed out that eucatastrophe is very obscure and most people would see the word ‘catastrophe’ inside it and assume it meant something bad. We wanted a term which would give something of the right impression.
That falls a bit flat for me—neither the right connotations (as ‘existential dream’ more or less has) nor the right actual meaning (as ‘existential eucatastrophe’ has).
“Existential dream” is an interesting alternative. It carries some helpful connotations. However, it doesn’t sound like the kind of thing you can increase or decrease, which makes it less good as the term mirroring “existential risk”.
You seem to be using it closer to the sense of “existential eucatastrophe”. I admit that it’s more grokkable than that!
Okay, I thought x-hope/eucatastrophe were the same thing. I was thinking of “existential dream” for the latter.
For a positive parallel to “risk” that can increase or decrease, I’d use “potentiality”. Potential/potentiality is generally used to refer to something good/beneficial, but I can’t say that “existential potentiality” exactly roles off the tongue!
Thanks for the paper Owen.
Existential hope sounds like an opposite to existential despair, rather than to existential risk and could increase the already common confusion regarding that!! Of course, it’s only a private paper, but since it’s designed to establish terminologies, it’s something to think about.
When I first heard of Bostrom’s phrase “existential risk”, I felt it was overly philosophical because it sounded like a concept in existentialism. I agree with Owen+Toby’s paper that “extinction risk” is already adequate when talking about extinction.
Words are sticky, so it may be hard to ditch “existential risk”, but if we were doing it over again, I’d choose something else, like “astronomical risks” and “astronomical benefits”.
Thanks Ryan, I hadn’t actually spotted that issue with the term “existential hope”. I don’t think it’s necessarily enough to sink the term, but it’s worth being aware of.
English doesn’t have a work for the chance of a good thing, which makes it awkward to find the right term. Earlier drafts just stuck to “existential eucatastrophe”, which has the right meaning. However it was pointed out that eucatastrophe is very obscure and most people would see the word ‘catastrophe’ inside it and assume it meant something bad. We wanted a term which would give something of the right impression.
Perhaps you could use the phrase ‘existential reward’ instead of ‘existential eucatastrophe’?
That falls a bit flat for me—neither the right connotations (as ‘existential dream’ more or less has) nor the right actual meaning (as ‘existential eucatastrophe’ has).
I like “x-dream”!
“Existential dream” is an interesting alternative. It carries some helpful connotations. However, it doesn’t sound like the kind of thing you can increase or decrease, which makes it less good as the term mirroring “existential risk”.
You seem to be using it closer to the sense of “existential eucatastrophe”. I admit that it’s more grokkable than that!
Okay, I thought x-hope/eucatastrophe were the same thing. I was thinking of “existential dream” for the latter.
For a positive parallel to “risk” that can increase or decrease, I’d use “potentiality”. Potential/potentiality is generally used to refer to something good/beneficial, but I can’t say that “existential potentiality” exactly roles off the tongue!
‘Existential opportunity’?
Everything I can think of sounds mercantile: ‘Existential profit’ ‘Existential gain’