Oh, may I please try to convince you not to create your own voting system?
Initial reasons, as an invitation to push back:
Commenting is more important than voting
If, for example, someone thinks a specific org is actively harmful, I think:
Good situation: Someone writes a comment with the main arguments, references, and so on.
Bad situation: Someone needs to get lots of people to downvote the position. (Or people don’t notice) (or the org gets lots of people to upvote) (or other similar situations)
Upvoting comments is better than both
And the double “upvote/downvote” + “agree/disagree” is even better, where the best comments float up.
See how conversations like that in the forum/lesswrong look. This is unusually good for the internet, and definitely better than upvoting/downvoting alone.
Is this system perfect? No, but it’s better than anything I’ve seen, definitely better than upvotes alone.
[Reducing friction for people to voice their opinion] is key
+ For platforms like this, the amount of active users matters, there’s an importance in having a critical mass.
So:
Adding a new platform is friction.
I vote for using an existing platform. Like the EA Forum.
Maybe a post without the “frontpage” tag
Maybe a comment on a post
These conversations already fit the EA Forum
It’s discussing the impact of the org.
(I wouldn’t be too surprised if there’s a good reason to use something else, but I doubt it would be a good idea to create a NEW platform)
I have tried to convince the forum team of this, using the methods they asked to be convinced via. There has been some move to put jobs on the forum, but no in a searchable way. I think a new site that pushes better norms would be better.
I largely agree with the object level points you make but I don’t see why you wouldn’t want a new org with better processes.
The next feature I want to get is voting, which will work on that problem.
Oh, may I please try to convince you not to create your own voting system?
Initial reasons, as an invitation to push back:
Commenting is more important than voting
If, for example, someone thinks a specific org is actively harmful, I think:
Good situation: Someone writes a comment with the main arguments, references, and so on.
Bad situation: Someone needs to get lots of people to downvote the position. (Or people don’t notice) (or the org gets lots of people to upvote) (or other similar situations)
Upvoting comments is better than both
And the double “upvote/downvote” + “agree/disagree” is even better, where the best comments float up.
See how conversations like that in the forum/lesswrong look. This is unusually good for the internet, and definitely better than upvoting/downvoting alone.
Is this system perfect? No, but it’s better than anything I’ve seen, definitely better than upvotes alone.
[Reducing friction for people to voice their opinion] is key
+ For platforms like this, the amount of active users matters, there’s an importance in having a critical mass.
So:
Adding a new platform is friction.
I vote for using an existing platform. Like the EA Forum.
Maybe a post without the “frontpage” tag
Maybe a comment on a post
These conversations already fit the EA Forum
It’s discussing the impact of the org.
(I wouldn’t be too surprised if there’s a good reason to use something else, but I doubt it would be a good idea to create a NEW platform)
I have tried to convince the forum team of this, using the methods they asked to be convinced via. There has been some move to put jobs on the forum, but no in a searchable way. I think a new site that pushes better norms would be better.
I largely agree with the object level points you make but I don’t see why you wouldn’t want a new org with better processes.
https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/uxfWrFNH7jSSGhkkS/unofficial-pr-faq-posting-more-jobs-to-the-forum-but-they
Any chance you’d share what you don’t like?
That they posted like they have the job features even though they don’t?
(btw I don’t recommend using the forum’s FILTERING/SEARCHING, I’d only use their commenting and upvoting. And login)
It’s not searchable, filterable, or capable of taking a feed from.
I see.
So indeed I wouldn’t use the forum for that. I’d only link from [something filterable and so on] to forum comments.
What do you think?