As a moderator, I find this comment (especially along with another comment) concerning. I think it’s unhelpful (I don’t think anyone reading this will genuinely be more careful about erring in a dangerous direction, as it’s not written in a productive tone and is not very specific), somewhat off-topic, and not quite civil, which adds to my overall sense that the comment is counterproductive. See the Forum norms.
The comments alone wouldn’t merit a ban or the like, in my opinion, but a pattern of further engagement like this might. Moreover, Sabs has been banned before, so we have a slightly higher standard here.
I think the comment makes a good point about what has been more politely called the “demandingness” of EA by several critics, and how it can lead to very harmful places. I think its cynical manner and hyperbole are legitimate choices of presentation.
I don’t like the notion of unhelpful without breaking rules. It’s already very downvoted, that seems punishment enough.
Sabs is sometimes useful and often flippant/pugnacious. I’m not sure I see a broad movement towards this and there is already a downvote system so I wouldn’t individually moderate here.
(I did mention this to Charles, so it’s a bit funny our comments are so similar but not that funny)
I think banning someone for a pattern of comments like this would be overly heavy handed and reflect badly on the forum, especially when many of Sabs’ comments are fairly productive (I just glanced through recent comments and the majority had positive karma and made decent points IMO).
To be concrete about it, I think a somewhat rude person with good points to make, coming here and giving their perspective, mostly constructively, is something we should want more of rather than less at the current margin. It’s not like the EA forum is in any short term danger of becoming a haven for trolling and rudeness, and if there are concerns it is heading in that direction at any point it should be possible to course correct.
Thanks for the support, but can I ask a genuine question: how on earth is this comment rude? It does not personally attack the OP, or indeed anyone at all. Indeed it doesn’t even criticize OP or their post! It simply gives a warning with a jokey but also sincere reference to the FTX scandal, where I genuinely think that it’s quite likely that amphetamine abuse played a fairly important role in what went wrong—both from my own personal information that I’ve received and from what’s been written up on e.g Milkyeggs. I do think the EA cult of productivity is a dangerous thing, or at least it can be! A lot of other people feel the same!
I didn’t really think it was rude, more a somewhat aggravating tone, which may or may not be a different thing, depending on who you ask. I just took that it was for the sake of not having to litigate the point.
As a moderator, I find this comment (especially along with another comment) concerning. I think it’s unhelpful (I don’t think anyone reading this will genuinely be more careful about erring in a dangerous direction, as it’s not written in a productive tone and is not very specific), somewhat off-topic, and not quite civil, which adds to my overall sense that the comment is counterproductive. See the Forum norms.
The comments alone wouldn’t merit a ban or the like, in my opinion, but a pattern of further engagement like this might. Moreover, Sabs has been banned before, so we have a slightly higher standard here.
I think the comment makes a good point about what has been more politely called the “demandingness” of EA by several critics, and how it can lead to very harmful places. I think its cynical manner and hyperbole are legitimate choices of presentation.
I don’t like the notion of unhelpful without breaking rules. It’s already very downvoted, that seems punishment enough.
Sabs is sometimes useful and often flippant/pugnacious. I’m not sure I see a broad movement towards this and there is already a downvote system so I wouldn’t individually moderate here.
(I did mention this to Charles, so it’s a bit funny our comments are so similar but not that funny)
I think banning someone for a pattern of comments like this would be overly heavy handed and reflect badly on the forum, especially when many of Sabs’ comments are fairly productive (I just glanced through recent comments and the majority had positive karma and made decent points IMO).
To be concrete about it, I think a somewhat rude person with good points to make, coming here and giving their perspective, mostly constructively, is something we should want more of rather than less at the current margin. It’s not like the EA forum is in any short term danger of becoming a haven for trolling and rudeness, and if there are concerns it is heading in that direction at any point it should be possible to course correct.
Thanks for the support, but can I ask a genuine question: how on earth is this comment rude? It does not personally attack the OP, or indeed anyone at all. Indeed it doesn’t even criticize OP or their post! It simply gives a warning with a jokey but also sincere reference to the FTX scandal, where I genuinely think that it’s quite likely that amphetamine abuse played a fairly important role in what went wrong—both from my own personal information that I’ve received and from what’s been written up on e.g Milkyeggs. I do think the EA cult of productivity is a dangerous thing, or at least it can be! A lot of other people feel the same!
I didn’t really think it was rude, more a somewhat aggravating tone, which may or may not be a different thing, depending on who you ask. I just took that it was for the sake of not having to litigate the point.