I think it’s likely a large effect of this is not bullying, but problems with school, independent of interpersonal interactions.
An example:
During adolescence, kids naturally want to go to sleep at 1, and wake up at 10, but we force those kids to wake up at latest at 7, likely causing severe sleep department. I think this may be the greatest component. Certainly 6 years of sleep deprivation has some negative long term effects too.
There are other horrible aspects of the school environment which I’m sure you can think of, which likely have terrible near term & long term effects, which don’t involve bullying.
Similarly, changes to these aspects get almost no attention, and so are highly neglected. For these reasons I think we’re better off aiming for reform of all of schooling than running more anti-bullying campaigns.
Great points, I agree! I guess I fell prey to the Streetlight effect there. I found this article by Robin Hanson interesting, Mason Hartman has interesting thoughts on Twitter (her most recent stuff is pretty extreme though), and there is a lot on YouTube on how the School System is broken in many ways. But despite a lot of educational reform, there are some issues that prove very hard to tackle. But perhaps there is something smart & unorthodox that can be done...
Scanning through the wikipedia article you linked, very few previous reforms focused much on student suffering, and much more on the content of the learning & performance measures for the teacher. There may be a selection effect going on here, where only ineffective reforms go through. It would be better to look at a list of failed reforms.
Also, I forgot to mention this in my above comment, but really spectacular work writing this up. I always suspected this was the case, but I didn’t know it was as cost effective as it seems.
I think it’s likely a large effect of this is not bullying, but problems with school, independent of interpersonal interactions.
An example:
During adolescence, kids naturally want to go to sleep at 1, and wake up at 10, but we force those kids to wake up at latest at 7, likely causing severe sleep department. I think this may be the greatest component. Certainly 6 years of sleep deprivation has some negative long term effects too.
There are other horrible aspects of the school environment which I’m sure you can think of, which likely have terrible near term & long term effects, which don’t involve bullying.
Similarly, changes to these aspects get almost no attention, and so are highly neglected. For these reasons I think we’re better off aiming for reform of all of schooling than running more anti-bullying campaigns.
Great points, I agree! I guess I fell prey to the Streetlight effect there. I found this article by Robin Hanson interesting, Mason Hartman has interesting thoughts on Twitter (her most recent stuff is pretty extreme though), and there is a lot on YouTube on how the School System is broken in many ways. But despite a lot of educational reform, there are some issues that prove very hard to tackle. But perhaps there is something smart & unorthodox that can be done...
Scanning through the wikipedia article you linked, very few previous reforms focused much on student suffering, and much more on the content of the learning & performance measures for the teacher. There may be a selection effect going on here, where only ineffective reforms go through. It would be better to look at a list of failed reforms.
Also, I forgot to mention this in my above comment, but really spectacular work writing this up. I always suspected this was the case, but I didn’t know it was as cost effective as it seems.