“I don’t know where Jacy is on the spectrum from “kind of bad judgement but nothing terrible” to “outright bad actor”.”
I don’t understand this and claims like it. To recap, he was thrown out of university in 2012 for sexual misconduct. Someone who was at Brown around this time told me that no-one else was expelled from Brown for sexual misconduct the entire they were there. This suggests that his actions were very bad.
Despite being expelled from Brown, at least five women in the EA community then complain to CEA because of his sexual misconduct. CEA thinks these actions are bad enough to ban him from all EA events and dissociate from him completely. Despite Jacy giving the impression that was due to clumsy flirting, I strongly doubt that this is true. Clumsy flirting must happen a fair amount in this community given the social awkwardness of EAs, but few people are expelled from the community as a result. This again suggests that the allegations against Jacy are very bad.
This should update us towards the view that the Brown allegations were also true (noting that Jacy denies that they are true).
In your view he also makes statements that are gross exaggerations/delusional in order to further his career (though I mustn’t say that he lied).
I think we have enough evidence for the ‘bad actor’ categorisation.
It’s from “man things in the world are typically complicated, and I haven’t spent time digging into this, but although there surface level facts look bad I’m aware that selective quoting of facts can give a misleading impression”.
I’m not trying to talk you out of the bad actor categorization, just saying that I haven’t personally thought it through / investigated enough that I’m confident in that label. (But people shouldn’t update on my epistemic state! It might well be I’d agree with you if I spent an hour on it; I just don’t care enough to want to spend that hour.)
“I don’t know where Jacy is on the spectrum from “kind of bad judgement but nothing terrible” to “outright bad actor”.”
I don’t understand this and claims like it. To recap, he was thrown out of university in 2012 for sexual misconduct. Someone who was at Brown around this time told me that no-one else was expelled from Brown for sexual misconduct the entire they were there. This suggests that his actions were very bad.
Despite being expelled from Brown, at least five women in the EA community then complain to CEA because of his sexual misconduct. CEA thinks these actions are bad enough to ban him from all EA events and dissociate from him completely. Despite Jacy giving the impression that was due to clumsy flirting, I strongly doubt that this is true. Clumsy flirting must happen a fair amount in this community given the social awkwardness of EAs, but few people are expelled from the community as a result. This again suggests that the allegations against Jacy are very bad.
This should update us towards the view that the Brown allegations were also true (noting that Jacy denies that they are true).
In your view he also makes statements that are gross exaggerations/delusional in order to further his career (though I mustn’t say that he lied).
I think we have enough evidence for the ‘bad actor’ categorisation.
It’s from “man things in the world are typically complicated, and I haven’t spent time digging into this, but although there surface level facts look bad I’m aware that selective quoting of facts can give a misleading impression”.
I’m not trying to talk you out of the bad actor categorization, just saying that I haven’t personally thought it through / investigated enough that I’m confident in that label. (But people shouldn’t update on my epistemic state! It might well be I’d agree with you if I spent an hour on it; I just don’t care enough to want to spend that hour.)
Here is an interesting post on the strength of the evidence provided by multiple independent accusations of sexual misconduct throughout one’s life.
http://afro-optimist.blogspot.com/2018/09/why-you-should-probably-believe-ford.html