This is a much simpler problem that I’m happy to help with [1] [2] [3].
The problem of finding impactful roles is much harder
And that’s where I need (and I think others too) help from an org like 80k.
Facebook
This is not an example of a company that worries me.
“roles that aren’t clearly related to one of 80K’s top problems are usually going to be there for career capital reasons”
I think:
Some of these are potentially overly damaging
Roles that are related to 80k’s top causes might also be there for career capital
“I’m just grateful 80K has listed them [Amazon, Facebook and the US military] for me”
Again, I think it would be very easy to list roles like this without help from 80k experts. If it seems to be a pain point, perhaps we could talk about it.
“This [saying which roles are impactful and which not] would be catering for people who can’t figure it out for themselves”
I think this is useful in a similar way to how Givewell are useful. They do the analysis so we don’t all need to do it individually. Not a perfect example, but points to something I mean.
I can also tell you in practice that many developers (dozens?) expect this from 80k, and also see the Twitter poll at the top of the post, which I think hints this is a problem for many people
This is a much simpler problem that I’m happy to help with
Just flagging that you’re referring to the problem of “getting career capital as a SW engineer” and not “getting career capital”, which is in general much harder.
Though the problem you are talking about is in my opinion somewhat more complex than you think.
This is a much simpler problem that I’m happy to help with
I’d rather all roles be summarised in one place for simplicity. If people are concerned about not knowing which roles are for career capital vs direct impact then 80K can signpost that—which I think I am in favour of. I’m not sure why removing the career capital roles would be the better approach—I think it would be a loss of value.
Some of these are potentially overly damaging
Can you give some examples? I’m interested.
“I’m just grateful 80K has listed them for me”
When I said this I was referring to all roles they list not just the career capital ones by the way.
Hey,
Regarding jobs for building career capital
This is a much simpler problem that I’m happy to help with [1] [2] [3].
The problem of finding impactful roles is much harder
And that’s where I need (and I think others too) help from an org like 80k.
Facebook
This is not an example of a company that worries me.
“roles that aren’t clearly related to one of 80K’s top problems are usually going to be there for career capital reasons”
I think:
Some of these are potentially overly damaging
Roles that are related to 80k’s top causes might also be there for career capital
“I’m just grateful 80K has listed them [Amazon, Facebook and the US military] for me”
Again, I think it would be very easy to list roles like this without help from 80k experts. If it seems to be a pain point, perhaps we could talk about it.
“This [saying which roles are impactful and which not] would be catering for people who can’t figure it out for themselves”
I think this is useful in a similar way to how Givewell are useful. They do the analysis so we don’t all need to do it individually. Not a perfect example, but points to something I mean.
I can also tell you in practice that many developers (dozens?) expect this from 80k, and also see the Twitter poll at the top of the post, which I think hints this is a problem for many people
Just flagging that you’re referring to the problem of “getting career capital as a SW engineer” and not “getting career capital”, which is in general much harder.
Though the problem you are talking about is in my opinion somewhat more complex than you think.
I’m talking to guy one on one about what complexity I’m missing and he may share anything I say
I’d rather all roles be summarised in one place for simplicity. If people are concerned about not knowing which roles are for career capital vs direct impact then 80K can signpost that—which I think I am in favour of. I’m not sure why removing the career capital roles would be the better approach—I think it would be a loss of value.
Can you give some examples? I’m interested.
When I said this I was referring to all roles they list not just the career capital ones by the way.
Examples: Discussing one here: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/YCMgg6x6zWJmran5L/criticism-of-the-80k-job-board-listing-strategy?commentId=zZHtmpFRXGg8SK43b
Are you sure you linked to the right place? I don’t see an example of a role you think is very harmful
I’m not against keeping career capital roles in if they’re clearly marked
I think you meant to reply to Yonatan Cale and not me?
And you’re right. I wonder why I can’t delete it?