It’s interesting because, before you made the comments in this post and in the discussion here underneath, I thought you and I probably had pretty similar views.
I imagine we do, though here I am sort of specifically trying to find a crux. Probably I’m being a bit grumpy about it, but all in all, I think I agree with you a lot.
This suggested to me that even though you value truth-seeking a lot, you also seem to think there should be some other kinds of standards
I agree. I’m pretty moderately of generativeness without any kinds of incentives towards kindness.
I am less sure that shaming events with unkindness is the kind of incentive we want.
seemed to be failing to make even some pretty small/cheap concessions.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I am pretty willing to make trades here. And I have done so. Though I want to know what the trades are beforehand.
I don’t really consider the “concessions” so far to be trades as such, I just think that a norm against racism is really valuable and we should allow people to break it only at much greater cost than we’ve seen. Though I take up that issue with manifest internally rather than on here.
I don’t know why/if it feels like we’re disagreeing a lot.
I am trying to figure out the underlying disagreement, which I think causes me to cut in a different direction than I normally would.
I’m planning to get off the EA forum for a while to avoid the time-sink issues, so I may not leave more comments here anytime soon.
On our interactions:
I imagine we do, though here I am sort of specifically trying to find a crux. Probably I’m being a bit grumpy about it, but all in all, I think I agree with you a lot.
I agree. I’m pretty moderately of generativeness without any kinds of incentives towards kindness.
I am less sure that shaming events with unkindness is the kind of incentive we want.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I am pretty willing to make trades here. And I have done so. Though I want to know what the trades are beforehand.
I don’t really consider the “concessions” so far to be trades as such, I just think that a norm against racism is really valuable and we should allow people to break it only at much greater cost than we’ve seen. Though I take up that issue with manifest internally rather than on here.
I am trying to figure out the underlying disagreement, which I think causes me to cut in a different direction than I normally would.
Fair play.