I think, based on the way you’re phrasing your question, you’re perhaps not fully grasping the key ideas of Less Wrong style rationality, which is what EA rationality is mostly about. It might help to read something like this post about what rationality is and isn’t as a starting point, and from there explore the Less Wrong sequences.
No offense, but I’m surprised, because your phrasing doesn’t parse for me, since it’s not clear to me what it would mean for EA as a movement to be “rational”, and most use of “rational” in the way you’re using it here reflects a pattern shared among folks with only passing familiarity with Less Wrong.
For example, you ask about “rational debate” and “rationally resolv[ing] disagreements”, but the point of the post I linked is sort of that this doesn’t make sense to ask for. People might debate using rational arguments, but it would be weird to call that rational debate since the debate itself is not the thing that is rational or not, but rather the thing that could be rational is the thought processes of the debaters.
Maybe this odd phrasing is why you got few responses, since it reads like a signal that you’ve failed to grasp a fundamental point of Less Wrong style rationality: that rationality is a method applied by agents, not an essential property something can have or not.
You raise multiple issues. Let’s go one at a time.
I didn’t write the words “rational dispute resolution”. I consider inaccurate quotes an important issue. This isn’t the first one I’ve seen, so I’m wondering if there’s a disagreement about norms.
I was just paraphrasing. You literally wrote “rationally resolve disagreements” which feels like the same thing to me as “rational dispute resolution”.
I edited my comment to quote you more literally since I think it maintains exactly the same semantic content.
We disagree about quotation norms. I believe this is important and I would be interested in discussing it. Would you be? We could both explain our norms (including beliefs about their importance or lack thereof) and try to understand the other person’s perspective.
I don’t know if we really disagree, but I’m not interested in talking about it. Seems extremely unlikely to be a discussion worth the effort to have since I don’t think either of us thinks making up deceptive quotes is okay. I think I’m just sloppier than you and that’s not interesting.
I think, based on the way you’re phrasing your question, you’re perhaps not fully grasping the key ideas of Less Wrong style rationality, which is what EA rationality is mostly about. It might help to read something like this post about what rationality is and isn’t as a starting point, and from there explore the Less Wrong sequences.
I’ve read the sequences in full.
No offense, but I’m surprised, because your phrasing doesn’t parse for me, since it’s not clear to me what it would mean for EA as a movement to be “rational”, and most use of “rational” in the way you’re using it here reflects a pattern shared among folks with only passing familiarity with Less Wrong.
For example, you ask about “rational debate” and “rationally resolv[ing] disagreements”, but the point of the post I linked is sort of that this doesn’t make sense to ask for. People might debate using rational arguments, but it would be weird to call that rational debate since the debate itself is not the thing that is rational or not, but rather the thing that could be rational is the thought processes of the debaters.
Maybe this odd phrasing is why you got few responses, since it reads like a signal that you’ve failed to grasp a fundamental point of Less Wrong style rationality: that rationality is a method applied by agents, not an essential property something can have or not.
You raise multiple issues. Let’s go one at a time.
I didn’t write the words “rational dispute resolution”. I consider inaccurate quotes an important issue. This isn’t the first one I’ve seen, so I’m wondering if there’s a disagreement about norms.
I was just paraphrasing. You literally wrote “rationally resolve disagreements” which feels like the same thing to me as “rational dispute resolution”.
I edited my comment to quote you more literally since I think it maintains exactly the same semantic content.
We disagree about quotation norms. I believe this is important and I would be interested in discussing it. Would you be? We could both explain our norms (including beliefs about their importance or lack thereof) and try to understand the other person’s perspective.
I don’t know if we really disagree, but I’m not interested in talking about it. Seems extremely unlikely to be a discussion worth the effort to have since I don’t think either of us thinks making up deceptive quotes is okay. I think I’m just sloppier than you and that’s not interesting.