Some effective parts of EA are sets of databases (80k jobs board, forum posts)
It can be hard to get the information from those databases to where people read them (email, twitter, RSS readers, etc) - for more types of feeds
If many EAs agree there could be a multiplier effect on current impact by paying a small amount to improve distribution
Some minimally controversial and maximally effective suggestions
Questions
Would you apply to more jobs if you could have them just the way you wanted them?
Would you read more EA content if you could have it in the form you wanted it?
Introduction
Much governance is database management.
Think about any modern service organisation. It has many databases, often creating a large proportion of its value. Whether Amazon’s stock lists, your government’s driving test passers, Tinder’s millions of swipers or the lists of scores that power Google’s searches, many organisations are building scoring and rearranging databases and charging you for the privilege of accessing them or the objects they track.
Databases are important to EA
Much of EAs work is on the ground, doing research or supplying antimalarials. But around and behind these operations are databases, including several of EAs leading lights:
The 80k jobs board
80k’s cause prioritisation matrix
GiveWell’s top charities and the prioritisation spreadsheets that make them function
The EA forum’s karma system
GiveDirecty’s huge lists of telephone numbers to fund
For a subset of these, there would be value created by making the databases easier to access and take feeds from.
Databases are like water tanks
Water isn’t useful if it sits in a tank. It needs to go somewhere eventually. Data is the same. Either it needs to be movable or we shouldn’t be storing it in the first place. And move it does:
80k send out newsletters
The Karma system of the forum sends articles to eyeballs, directly, and via emails and RSS
80k’s cause prioritisation list has directly and indirectly caused [number] of personal career changes
But there are other spaces that it could be easier for things to move to notably:
Easier to contribute to some of them
Easier to receive custom emails, RSS notifications and to post to Twitter
Sounds dangerous
Giving everyone access would be bad, which is why I’ve tried to suggest a range of easy database “pipes” that would be low risk. Largely it’s about allowing more options for things that exist already. I think if this goes well there is a larger discussion about other databases under EA control.
What is happening so far
Well Niko Bosse has built two of the suggested pipelines (forum posts to twitter, twitter jobs to twitter—we worked on this together). But he’s only one man doing it in his spare time. I think this is a pretty tractable way to make a lot of EA’s stuff easier to access.
A proposed framework of some of the best ideas
The EA forum job hub
A database on the forum that gets upvoted or downvoted on the basis of effectiveness using karma
These jobs are hidden from the forum unless you unhide the tag (like personal blogs)
Anyone can submit a job and other people can edit them and add additional details
Twitter—jobs above a certain karma get posted to twitter
RSS/Email feeds—anyone can take a highly specific feed of jobs. By location, qualifications karma score, etc
80k can take jobs that meet their standards or ignore them. I would bet that there would be jobs on this board that 80k hadn’t seen
80k job board
RSS/Email feeds—anyone can take a highly specific feed of jobs. By location, qualifications karma score, etc
80k twitter bot. An 80k branded bot that posts every 80k job to twitter
EA hub
Easy online group submission and upvoting. Currently, unless I’ve misread, there is only one online group on the forum. I don’t think EA groups are as easy to find as they might be which means fewer people are as involved as they would be
Posts
RSS/Email feeds—anyone can take a highly specific feed of posts. Ideally just sigh up to your personal front page settings.
Some worse but perhaps interesting suggestions
EAs
Networking. Find a way to create a network that EAs can easily search. I thought this was probably Twitter, but some people said they loved the hub. Maybe EAs are mostly somewhere else? Connecting these pipes together will create more connections and I’m confident that a more highly networked community is a happier and more effective one.
Getting started. I wrote this I’d love to see a getting started in EA guide which talks about a range of platforms and lifestyles. I bet at least 2% of people bounce from EA because they can’t find a way of living that suits them. Making this stuff more legible is good
Website user data
I suggest there should be a central place with user numbers from EA funded websites. If noone were using them, how would we know? I don’t see a clear downside of publishing the data once per year
Funding
Is there an easy way to search all the funding giving within an EA remit? I’m less confident this is good, but I think it’s worth considering. EA only exists because philanthropy has such bad feedback mechanisms.
Cost
I guess a single developer could do all of the “best ideas” in a year, it’s over different orgs but you get the picture. I’ve tendered out work but maybe it’s much harder than I understand. Let’s times it by 3. $300k.
Impact
I’m not confident about how to ballpark impact for this. And I’m pretty tired, and I wanted to actually publish this. If I were going to work it out I would use the cost of the 80k jobs board here and try and find some estimate of impact from the jobs board (I haven’t been able to find) and assume that this increased it by 5%. Similarly with forum views. Feel free to try a better job in the comments.
However, to finish I’d like to get a sense of the following two questions. Please write your feelings on them:
Would you apply to more jobs if you could have them just the way you wanted them?
If they fit perfectly into your workflow, would you apply to more stuff?
Would you read more EA content if you could have it in the form you wanted it?
Would you read, or be otherwise more engaged in the community if content came to you exactly how you wanted?
Thanks
Thanks to all who read this whilst I was writing it. Please notify me of mistakes and I’ll correct them. Thanks for all you (yes you reading this) do, it means a lot to me. It is my job to know you all and work with you all on trying to make the world better. 💙
A Case for Better Feeds
Tl;dr
Some effective parts of EA are sets of databases (80k jobs board, forum posts)
It can be hard to get the information from those databases to where people read them (email, twitter, RSS readers, etc) - for more types of feeds
If many EAs agree there could be a multiplier effect on current impact by paying a small amount to improve distribution
Some minimally controversial and maximally effective suggestions
Questions
Would you apply to more jobs if you could have them just the way you wanted them?
Would you read more EA content if you could have it in the form you wanted it?
Introduction
Much governance is database management.
Think about any modern service organisation. It has many databases, often creating a large proportion of its value. Whether Amazon’s stock lists, your government’s driving test passers, Tinder’s millions of swipers or the lists of scores that power Google’s searches, many organisations are building scoring and rearranging databases and charging you for the privilege of accessing them or the objects they track.
Databases are important to EA
Much of EAs work is on the ground, doing research or supplying antimalarials. But around and behind these operations are databases, including several of EAs leading lights:
The 80k jobs board
80k’s cause prioritisation matrix
GiveWell’s top charities and the prioritisation spreadsheets that make them function
The EA forum’s karma system
GiveDirecty’s huge lists of telephone numbers to fund
For a subset of these, there would be value created by making the databases easier to access and take feeds from.
Databases are like water tanks
Water isn’t useful if it sits in a tank. It needs to go somewhere eventually. Data is the same. Either it needs to be movable or we shouldn’t be storing it in the first place. And move it does:
80k send out newsletters
The Karma system of the forum sends articles to eyeballs, directly, and via emails and RSS
80k’s cause prioritisation list has directly and indirectly caused [number] of personal career changes
But there are other spaces that it could be easier for things to move to notably:
Easier to contribute to some of them
Easier to receive custom emails, RSS notifications and to post to Twitter
Sounds dangerous
Giving everyone access would be bad, which is why I’ve tried to suggest a range of easy database “pipes” that would be low risk. Largely it’s about allowing more options for things that exist already. I think if this goes well there is a larger discussion about other databases under EA control.
What is happening so far
Well Niko Bosse has built two of the suggested pipelines (forum posts to twitter, twitter jobs to twitter—we worked on this together). But he’s only one man doing it in his spare time. I think this is a pretty tractable way to make a lot of EA’s stuff easier to access.
A proposed framework of some of the best ideas
The EA forum job hub
A database on the forum that gets upvoted or downvoted on the basis of effectiveness using karma
These jobs are hidden from the forum unless you unhide the tag (like personal blogs)
Anyone can submit a job and other people can edit them and add additional details
Twitter—jobs above a certain karma get posted to twitter
RSS/Email feeds—anyone can take a highly specific feed of jobs. By location, qualifications karma score, etc
80k can take jobs that meet their standards or ignore them. I would bet that there would be jobs on this board that 80k hadn’t seen
80k job board
RSS/Email feeds—anyone can take a highly specific feed of jobs. By location, qualifications karma score, etc
80k twitter bot. An 80k branded bot that posts every 80k job to twitter
EA hub
Easy online group submission and upvoting. Currently, unless I’ve misread, there is only one online group on the forum. I don’t think EA groups are as easy to find as they might be which means fewer people are as involved as they would be
Posts
RSS/Email feeds—anyone can take a highly specific feed of posts. Ideally just sigh up to your personal front page settings.
Some worse but perhaps interesting suggestions
EAs
Networking. Find a way to create a network that EAs can easily search. I thought this was probably Twitter, but some people said they loved the hub. Maybe EAs are mostly somewhere else? Connecting these pipes together will create more connections and I’m confident that a more highly networked community is a happier and more effective one.
Getting started. I wrote this I’d love to see a getting started in EA guide which talks about a range of platforms and lifestyles. I bet at least 2% of people bounce from EA because they can’t find a way of living that suits them. Making this stuff more legible is good
Website user data
I suggest there should be a central place with user numbers from EA funded websites. If noone were using them, how would we know? I don’t see a clear downside of publishing the data once per year
Funding
Is there an easy way to search all the funding giving within an EA remit? I’m less confident this is good, but I think it’s worth considering. EA only exists because philanthropy has such bad feedback mechanisms.
Cost
I guess a single developer could do all of the “best ideas” in a year, it’s over different orgs but you get the picture. I’ve tendered out work but maybe it’s much harder than I understand. Let’s times it by 3. $300k.
Impact
I’m not confident about how to ballpark impact for this. And I’m pretty tired, and I wanted to actually publish this. If I were going to work it out I would use the cost of the 80k jobs board here and try and find some estimate of impact from the jobs board (I haven’t been able to find) and assume that this increased it by 5%. Similarly with forum views. Feel free to try a better job in the comments.
However, to finish I’d like to get a sense of the following two questions. Please write your feelings on them:
Would you apply to more jobs if you could have them just the way you wanted them?
If they fit perfectly into your workflow, would you apply to more stuff?
Would you read more EA content if you could have it in the form you wanted it?
Would you read, or be otherwise more engaged in the community if content came to you exactly how you wanted?
Thanks
Thanks to all who read this whilst I was writing it. Please notify me of mistakes and I’ll correct them. Thanks for all you (yes you reading this) do, it means a lot to me. It is my job to know you all and work with you all on trying to make the world better. 💙