This makes a lot of sense to me Pablo. You highlighted what I was trying to explain when I was making the comment, that: 1) I was uncertain 2) I didn’t want to attack someone. I must admit, my choice of words was rather poor and could come across as “bravery talk”, although that was not what I intended.
To be clear, I think your overall comment added to the discussion more than it detracts, and I really appreciate you making it. I definitely did not interpret your claims as an attack, nor did I think it’s a particularly egregious example of a bravery framing. One reason I chose to comment here is because I interpreted (correctly, it appears!) you as someone who’d be receptive to such feedback, whereas if somebody started a bravery debate with a clearer “me against the immoral idiots in EA” framing I’d probably be much more inclined to just ignore and move on.
It’s possible my bar for criticism is too low. In particular, I don’t think I’ve fully modeled meta-level considerations like:
1) That by only choosing to criticize mild rather than egregious cases, I’m creating bad incentives.
2) You appear to be a new commenter, and by criticizing newcomers to the EA Forum I risk making the EA Forum less appealing.
3) That my comment may spawn a long discussion.
Nonetheless I think I mostly stand by my original comment.
This makes a lot of sense to me Pablo. You highlighted what I was trying to explain when I was making the comment, that: 1) I was uncertain 2) I didn’t want to attack someone. I must admit, my choice of words was rather poor and could come across as “bravery talk”, although that was not what I intended.
To be clear, I think your overall comment added to the discussion more than it detracts, and I really appreciate you making it. I definitely did not interpret your claims as an attack, nor did I think it’s a particularly egregious example of a bravery framing. One reason I chose to comment here is because I interpreted (correctly, it appears!) you as someone who’d be receptive to such feedback, whereas if somebody started a bravery debate with a clearer “me against the immoral idiots in EA” framing I’d probably be much more inclined to just ignore and move on.
It’s possible my bar for criticism is too low. In particular, I don’t think I’ve fully modeled meta-level considerations like:
1) That by only choosing to criticize mild rather than egregious cases, I’m creating bad incentives.
2) You appear to be a new commenter, and by criticizing newcomers to the EA Forum I risk making the EA Forum less appealing.
3) That my comment may spawn a long discussion.
Nonetheless I think I mostly stand by my original comment.