There might be differences between identifying with feminism and ‘being open to scholars of feminism, queer studies and gender studies’ though. Most Americans probably aren’t familiar with academia to know of its latest thinking.
And like how different people have different notions of what counts as discriminatory, racist, sexist, or not discriminatory, racist, sexist, it’s possible that different people have different notions of what ‘feminism’ means. (Some might consider it a position supporting equal rights between the sexes—others a position supporting women’s rights. They might be thinking of the second, third, or fourth wave etc.)
The supplementary document containing the survey questions suggests the question asked was “How well, if at all, do each of the following describe you?” followed by “Environmentalist”, “Feminist” and “A supporter of gun rights” (in random order), which doesn’t seem to specify one specific notion of ‘feminist’ for survey participants to consider.
Although, to be fair, maybe there’s actually more agreement among Americans on the definition of feminist (in the year of the survey, 2020) than I’m expecting.
In any case, I expect the differences in preferences of elite Anglosphere/U.S. women, and not-necessarily-elite, non-Anglosphere/non-U.S. women in general (e.g., in Europe, Asia, South America) would still be quite large.
There might be differences between identifying with feminism and ‘being open to scholars of feminism, queer studies and gender studies’ though. Most Americans probably aren’t familiar with academia to know of its latest thinking.
We are either open to feminist scholarship or we are not. Do you think that if EA openly declared itself hostile to scholars of feminism, that most self described feminists would not be annoyed or alienated, at least a little bit? This seems rather unlikely.
There’s a similarly large gap between scholars of conservativism and the average conservative. If EA declared that conservative scholars were not welcome, do you think the average conservative would be fine with it?
“We are either open to feminist scholarship or we are not.”
This doesn’t make sense to me. It seems to me that a group could be openly hostile, politely unwelcoming, welcoming in name but not do anything based on the scholarship, or make it a priority, to name a few!
So in my comment I was only trying to say that the comment you responded to seemed to point to something true about the preferences of women in general vs. the preferences of women who are “highly educated urban professional-managerial class liberals in the developed world”.
Such perspectives seem easy to miss for people (in general/of all genders, not just women) belonging to the elite U.S./U.S.-adjacent progressive class—a class that has disproportionate influence over other cultures, societies etc., which makes it seem worthwhile to discuss in spaces where many belong to this class.
About your other point, I guess I don’t have much of an opinion on it (yet), but my initial impression is that it seems like openness comes in degrees. Compared to other movements, I also rarely observe ‘EA’ openly declaring itself hostile to something (e.g. “fraud is unacceptable” but there aren’t really statements on socialism, conservatism, religions, culture...).
There might be differences between identifying with feminism and ‘being open to scholars of feminism, queer studies and gender studies’ though. Most Americans probably aren’t familiar with academia to know of its latest thinking.
And like how different people have different notions of what counts as discriminatory, racist, sexist, or not discriminatory, racist, sexist, it’s possible that different people have different notions of what ‘feminism’ means. (Some might consider it a position supporting equal rights between the sexes—others a position supporting women’s rights. They might be thinking of the second, third, or fourth wave etc.)
The supplementary document containing the survey questions suggests the question asked was “How well, if at all, do each of the following describe you?” followed by “Environmentalist”, “Feminist” and “A supporter of gun rights” (in random order), which doesn’t seem to specify one specific notion of ‘feminist’ for survey participants to consider.
Although, to be fair, maybe there’s actually more agreement among Americans on the definition of feminist (in the year of the survey, 2020) than I’m expecting.
In any case, I expect the differences in preferences of elite Anglosphere/U.S. women, and not-necessarily-elite, non-Anglosphere/non-U.S. women in general (e.g., in Europe, Asia, South America) would still be quite large.
We are either open to feminist scholarship or we are not. Do you think that if EA openly declared itself hostile to scholars of feminism, that most self described feminists would not be annoyed or alienated, at least a little bit? This seems rather unlikely.
There’s a similarly large gap between scholars of conservativism and the average conservative. If EA declared that conservative scholars were not welcome, do you think the average conservative would be fine with it?
“We are either open to feminist scholarship or we are not.”
This doesn’t make sense to me. It seems to me that a group could be openly hostile, politely unwelcoming, welcoming in name but not do anything based on the scholarship, or make it a priority, to name a few!
So in my comment I was only trying to say that the comment you responded to seemed to point to something true about the preferences of women in general vs. the preferences of women who are “highly educated urban professional-managerial class liberals in the developed world”.
Such perspectives seem easy to miss for people (in general/of all genders, not just women) belonging to the elite U.S./U.S.-adjacent progressive class—a class that has disproportionate influence over other cultures, societies etc., which makes it seem worthwhile to discuss in spaces where many belong to this class.
About your other point, I guess I don’t have much of an opinion on it (yet), but my initial impression is that it seems like openness comes in degrees. Compared to other movements, I also rarely observe ‘EA’ openly declaring itself hostile to something (e.g. “fraud is unacceptable” but there aren’t really statements on socialism, conservatism, religions, culture...).