2) This document engages in unethical disclosures of my private messages with others.
When I corresponded with Michelle, I did so from a position as a member of GWWC and the head of another EA organization. Neither was I asked nor did I implicitly permit my personal email exchange to be disclosed publicly. In other words, it was done without my permission in an explicit attempt to damage InIn.
Here is the entirety of section 1.2, which does not cite or quote any statement from Gleb’s email to Michelle, but rather cites Michelle regarding her own statements:
Gleb has taken the Giving What We Can pledge, and contributed an article on the Giving What We Can blog on December 23, 2015. He also mentioned and linked to GWWC in his articles elsewhere.
Michelle Hutchinson, Executive Director of Giving What We Can, wrote to Tsipursky in May 2016 asking him to cease “claiming to be supported by Giving What We Can.” However, the use of Giving What We Can’s name as an ‘active collaboration’ was not removed from Intentional Insights’ website, and remained in both of the above InIn documents as of August 19, 2016.
I had emailed GWWC after seeing it mentioned as a collaborator in InIn promotional documents, inquiring as to whether this had been with the knowledge or consent of GWWC. Michelle replied that it had not been, and explained that to the contrary she had previously made the request quoted. I then asked whether I could cite her, to which she replied affirmatively.
Now, I do not know if Michelle herself provided the email, or if Oliver found it through his access to CEA email servers, or if it ended up in the document through other means. Regardless, it had to come from CEA staff. Why would CEA/GWWC permit its staff to use confidential access to information they have only as CEA staff to critize a nonprofit whose mission is at least somewhat competing
GWWC allowed citation of its own statements regarding the use of its own name in promotional materials against its organizational objection, in response to my question.
Additionally, Gleb has done himself exactly what he’s accusing Michelle of doing! In a comment in the megathread from August he included a screenshot (archived copy) of an email I had sent him.
I have indeed shared private emails when I have been accused of something improperly, and doing so was the only way to address this accusation. I have similarly done so in my statement above with regard to Leah’s email allowing me to share her comment on how InIn helped ACE. I have never done so as an aggressive move to defame someone.
I am confused by how you believe that citing words from an email written by Michelle Hutchinson to me, without my consent to the email being cited, does not constitute disclosure of a private email exchange. The specific method by which this citation got out doesn’t matter—what matters is that it happened.
Gleb, there is a social norm that things one says in private email will not be publicized without consent. In the document quotes attributed to you from private messages are only included where you have been asked for consent, it has been given, and you have had opportunities to review prior to publication.
The same expectation does not apply to you vetoing Michelle’s statements about what she said (not what you said).
Carl, I guess we have a basic disagreement about the ethics of this. I think it is unethical to disclose any aspect of the exchange without the consent of the other person. You believe it is appropriate to disclose one’s own aspect of the exchange without the consent of the other person. We can let other people make up their minds about what they consider ethical.
Indeed. However, I will note that my understanding (based on experience, analogy to law, and some web searching) is that my view is standard, while yours is not.
No “exchange” has been disclosed. Michelle has disclosed her own words and that she said them to you. Are you claiming people can not report their own speech without the permission of their audience?
I am claiming that it is highly problematic ethically to disclose private email exchanges in order to damage other people, without an accusation against you that can be rectified only through disclosing these exchanges. I am comfortable standing by that statement.
Regarding point #2, Gleb writes above:
Here is the entirety of section 1.2, which does not cite or quote any statement from Gleb’s email to Michelle, but rather cites Michelle regarding her own statements:
I had emailed GWWC after seeing it mentioned as a collaborator in InIn promotional documents, inquiring as to whether this had been with the knowledge or consent of GWWC. Michelle replied that it had not been, and explained that to the contrary she had previously made the request quoted. I then asked whether I could cite her, to which she replied affirmatively.
GWWC allowed citation of its own statements regarding the use of its own name in promotional materials against its organizational objection, in response to my question.
Additionally, Gleb has done himself exactly what he’s accusing Michelle of doing! In a comment in the megathread from August he included a screenshot (archived copy) of an email I had sent him.
I have indeed shared private emails when I have been accused of something improperly, and doing so was the only way to address this accusation. I have similarly done so in my statement above with regard to Leah’s email allowing me to share her comment on how InIn helped ACE. I have never done so as an aggressive move to defame someone.
I am confused by how you believe that citing words from an email written by Michelle Hutchinson to me, without my consent to the email being cited, does not constitute disclosure of a private email exchange. The specific method by which this citation got out doesn’t matter—what matters is that it happened.
Gleb, there is a social norm that things one says in private email will not be publicized without consent. In the document quotes attributed to you from private messages are only included where you have been asked for consent, it has been given, and you have had opportunities to review prior to publication.
The same expectation does not apply to you vetoing Michelle’s statements about what she said (not what you said).
Carl, I guess we have a basic disagreement about the ethics of this. I think it is unethical to disclose any aspect of the exchange without the consent of the other person. You believe it is appropriate to disclose one’s own aspect of the exchange without the consent of the other person. We can let other people make up their minds about what they consider ethical.
Indeed. However, I will note that my understanding (based on experience, analogy to law, and some web searching) is that my view is standard, while yours is not.
I’d be curious to learn more about the analogy to law, so that I can update. Perhaps you can post some links here for the basis of your perspective?
No “exchange” has been disclosed. Michelle has disclosed her own words and that she said them to you. Are you claiming people can not report their own speech without the permission of their audience?
I am claiming that it is highly problematic ethically to disclose private email exchanges in order to damage other people, without an accusation against you that can be rectified only through disclosing these exchanges. I am comfortable standing by that statement.