(“Disliking” feels a bit shallow, though I think a fair gloss. I have huge respect for a huge number of people at Open Philanthropy as well as many of the things you’ve done, in addition to many hard feelings and grievances.
It does sadly to me seem like we are in a world where getting many things right, but some things wrong, still can easily flip the sign on the impact of one’s actions and make it possible to cause large amounts of harm, which is my feeling with regards to OP.
I feel confused what exact emotional and social relationship that should cause me to have with OP. I have similar feelings about e.g. many people at Anthropic. In many respects they seem so close to having an enormous positive impact, they think carefully through many important considerations, and try pretty hard to create an environment for good thinking, but in expected impact space so far away from where I wish they were.)
Lol, it did totally work and I quite liked your comment and laughed about it. I just wanted to clarify since IDK, it does all still feel a bit high-stakes and being clear seems valuable, but I think your comment was great and did indeed ease a bunch of tension in me.
Ok great. Well I just want to re-emphasize the distinction again between “OP” and the people who work at OP. It’s not a homogenous blob of opinions, and AFAIK we didn’t fire anybody related to this, so a lot of the individuals who work there definitely agree with you/want to keep working with you on things and disagree with me.
Based on your read of their feelings and beliefs, which I sincerely trust is superior to my own (I don’t work out of the office or anything like that), there is empirically a chilling effect from my decisions. All I can say is that wasn’t what I was aiming for, and I’ll try to mitigate it if I can.
Based on your read of their feelings and beliefs, which I sincerely trust is superior to my own (I don’t work out of the office or anything like that), there is empirically a chilling effect from my decisions. All I can say is that wasn’t what I was aiming for, and I’ll try to mitigate it if I can.
Thanks, I appreciate that. I might message you at random points in the coming months/years with chilling effects I notice (in as much as that won’t exacerbate them), and maybe ideas to mitigate them.
I won’t expect any response or much engagement, I am already very grateful for the bandwidth you’ve given me here, as one of the people in the world with the highest opportunity cost.
(“Disliking” feels a bit shallow, though I think a fair gloss. I have huge respect for a huge number of people at Open Philanthropy as well as many of the things you’ve done, in addition to many hard feelings and grievances.
It does sadly to me seem like we are in a world where getting many things right, but some things wrong, still can easily flip the sign on the impact of one’s actions and make it possible to cause large amounts of harm, which is my feeling with regards to OP.
I feel confused what exact emotional and social relationship that should cause me to have with OP. I have similar feelings about e.g. many people at Anthropic. In many respects they seem so close to having an enormous positive impact, they think carefully through many important considerations, and try pretty hard to create an environment for good thinking, but in expected impact space so far away from where I wish they were.)
Apologies, again, for putting words in your mouth. I was using a little gallows humor to try to break the tension. It didn’t work.
Lol, it did totally work and I quite liked your comment and laughed about it. I just wanted to clarify since IDK, it does all still feel a bit high-stakes and being clear seems valuable, but I think your comment was great and did indeed ease a bunch of tension in me.
Ok great. Well I just want to re-emphasize the distinction again between “OP” and the people who work at OP. It’s not a homogenous blob of opinions, and AFAIK we didn’t fire anybody related to this, so a lot of the individuals who work there definitely agree with you/want to keep working with you on things and disagree with me.
Based on your read of their feelings and beliefs, which I sincerely trust is superior to my own (I don’t work out of the office or anything like that), there is empirically a chilling effect from my decisions. All I can say is that wasn’t what I was aiming for, and I’ll try to mitigate it if I can.
Thanks, I appreciate that. I might message you at random points in the coming months/years with chilling effects I notice (in as much as that won’t exacerbate them), and maybe ideas to mitigate them.
I won’t expect any response or much engagement, I am already very grateful for the bandwidth you’ve given me here, as one of the people in the world with the highest opportunity cost.